Talk:Gothicism

Biblical Genesis

I seem to remember hearing about some development or variant of this according to which Adam and Eve's Garden of Eden was supposedly in Scandinavia... AnonMoos (talk) 13:33, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

That sounds like something out of Olaus Rudbeck, even though I'm not sure if he claimed that the Garden of Eden had been located in Sweden. he did claim that about a lot of other things though.

Andejons (talk) 14:09, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Move

No idea who thought Latin was the right place for this article, but it ain't. This page needs to be at Gothicism. The wp:english wp:common name of this topic is not even close enough for this to be treated as a sensible natural disambiguation (which doesn't seem to be needed: Gothicism currently redirects here.) — LlywelynII 23:06, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

I've moved this page from Gothicismus to Gothicism per the request by User:LlywelynII at WP:RMTR. There were some previous edits of Gothicism from 2006 that could not be histmerged because of parallel histories. Even at that date, this article was the more complete one. In case there might be a few sentences that could be salvaged from the deleted version, I've reproduced one version here:

Old version of the article from 2006 The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Gothicism or Swedish Gothicism is a cultural and nationalist phenonmenon in Sweden, which defines Swedish national identity on the basis of a perceived common ancestry with the East Germanic Goths. The image of Sweden’s superiority was cherished in the Gothic Society (Götiska Förbundet), founded in 1811, and its journal Iduna (the name of an Old Norse goddess). The aim of the Gothic Society was to establish an organic national consciousness among the Swedish people. The Gothicism of the 19th century built on an older ideological tradition which first arose in the Middle Ages. It held that Sweden had been the original home of the Goths, and that once they left Sweden they conquered all of the known world and populated large areas of Europe. According to this ideology, the Goths came from Gothia/Gotaland/Götaland (the name a Swedish province). The Swedes were thus the progenitors of all peoples and could be deemed one of the oldest and most noble peoples of the world. Gothicism thus provided a nationalisation and a 'Nordification' of Swedish history (Hillebrecht: 1997, 5–7; see also Hall: 1998, 148–169). When the scholarly discourse in Scandinavia, Austria and Germany since the 1960s uncovered increasing evidence that contradicted the theory of a Nordic origin of the East Germanic Goths this was vehemently rejected by some sections of the Swedish academic establishment. In Scandinavia, both Old Norse matters and the Goths' relationship to Sweden are ideologically highly infected, and the stance that historians take in the issue is an ideological symbol.

Sources: Hall, Patrik: 1998, The Social Construction of Nationalism. Sweden as an Example. Lund Political Studies, 106. Lund.

Hillebrecht, Frauke: 1997, Skandinavien – die Heimat der Goten? Der Götizismus als Gerüst eines nordisch-schwedischen Identitätsbewußtsein Arbeitspapiere ‘Gemeinschaften’, 7. Berlin.

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"Dacianist" is a term broader them its Romanian origin?

I get the Dacianism is similar to Gothicism in creating a questionable connection between the current nation and an idealised past, but can the term Dacianist be used as a descriptor for ideas outside Romania? Its own article starts with a paragraph a generic description that fits both ideologies, but then it specifically connects Dacianism to Romanian obsession with the Dacians and that alone. I would add Dacianism in the see also section and call Gothicism somethings like "ethno-cultural ideology," which is used for Polish Sarmatism. 212.79.110.147 (talk) 14:24, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Agreed -- and since nobody in the last year has lodged any contrary opinion, I've implemented this suggestion myself. Raccoon Enthusiast (talk) 15:15, 3 December 2024 (UTC)