Talk:Gift of the Givers

Deletion

This article has been speedily deleted and restored. The deletion was based on a poor-quality version that seems to have been edited by someone with a COI. Before proposing deletion, please check the article's history. --Slashme (talk) 22:26, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Merge proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result was merge into Gift of the Givers. -- Roger (talk) 11:04, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

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I have discovered a rather poor stub article about the founder of this organisation Imtiaz Sooliman. I think it would be best to merge whatever useful content there is in that page into this one. Sooliman's notability is entirely due to him founding this organiation so unless there is a significant body of biographical information that is not suitable for inclusion here, it doesn't really make sense to have separate articles. Roger (talk) 11:24, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

I agree completely! --Slashme (talk) 09:58, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Actually only two statements in Imtiaz Sooliman are properly referenced. Sooliman's Order of the Baobab and an honorary degree from the University of KwaZulu-Natal. The article's only external link is broken. Roger (talk) 11:12, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Gift of the Givers

Hi

I'm Cora-Lee, I work for Gift of the Givers and am responsible for all website maintenance on the official website, as well as social networking sites. I need to provide current information to improve the existing info published on Wikipedia regarding Gift of the Givers.

We have archives and archives of newspaper articles as well as video footage from news channels etc. All the information I want to post on Wikipedia is based on the info I've uploaded to our official website, this information is given to me by Dr Imtiaz Sooliman, our Chairman and Founder.

Please advise on how I should commence this mission.

Warm Regards Cora-Lee info@giftofthegivers.org

196.213.22.130 (talk) 11:42, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

It is really good of you to offer to help us make this a better article. Most of all we would be interested in the press reports as they are third party sources. Please read the guidelines on conflict of interest which will help you understand your position here as a representative of the organisation. Another thing you need to keep in mind is that Wikipedia does not allow it's articles to be used for promotion. As an encyclopedia we want only the verifiable facts sourced from reliable sources (thats the main reason why we prefer mainstream press sources. If you have any more questions don't hesitate to post here or you are welcome to contact me on my talk page. Roger (talk) 12:20, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Notable missions and activities

I think it would be a good idea to create a rough list here of all the notable disater relief missions GotG hasparticipated in - such as the Indian Ocean Tsunami, various earthquakes, etc. Once we've got it into shape it can be added to the article. Roger (talk) 12:25, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

"Controversies"

I am planning to at least consolidate the controversies section. This is not a page for Dr Sooliman, but for the organisation. Sources given for the controversies are also low quality for some very strong claims of anti-semitism without saying who has claimed it or what is claimed to have been said. Furthermore, it concerns me that one editor added all controversies and has been warned against adding bias to articles related to Israel-Palestine. Lithop Thick (talk) 18:05, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

In looking for more reliable sources, I found that all listed controversies originated from a single open letter. I have tried to give context to the letter, why it was written, what it alleges (there are numerous allegations so I have attempted to summarise) and the response. While I feel the content is better contextualised than before, I realise that in giving context I have expanded the controversies section, which I feel is oversized for this topic. Lithop Thick (talk) 09:13, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Names of children

It would be very unusual to name the (even adult) children or family in an article as @EliEdits24 has done recently.

According to the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons guidelines on privacy of names: "Consider whether the inclusion of names of living private individuals who are not directly involved in an article's topic adds significant value." Further, Sooliman himself doesn't have his own page, this is an article on Gift Of The Givers. According to Wikipedia guidelines on People Who Are Relatively Unknown, "Many Wikipedia articles contain material on people who are not well known, regardless of whether they are notable enough for their own article. In such cases, exercise restraint and include only material relevant to the person's notability, focusing on high-quality secondary sources."

I will remove the names of children, while keeping the name of his first wife in relation to her being a co-founder. Lithop Thick (talk) 18:41, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

I agree with your reasoning on the children and accept that. However, Sooliman has 2 wives and is in a polygamous marriage with them it is documented and should be availiable.his First wife Zorah even wrote her masters on polygamous marriage within the context of the islamic faith. EliEdits24 (talk) 20:08, 21 January 2025 (UTC)