Talk:Futures Church

Rubbish references

• Many of the references are self-published bits of fluff by members of the Evans family. (1,2,3,) or the organisation itself (13)
• Several of the reference links are broken. (4,5,6,10,11)
• Three of the references do not adequately, if at all, support the claim to which they are appended. (8,9,12)

So, of the 13 alleged references, none, not one, zero of them is up to scratch.

Worse, this "article" reads like a shameless self-promotion for an organisation which barely warrants a WP article at all. Which is why I have no interest in making the effort to fix it. Wayne 14:21, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Content flagged as promotional

I need some help to figure out what needs to be changed on the article to remove the "promotional" flag, I tried my best writing it neutral. The edits I made have no commercial intent, do not refer any products for sale, I have no clue on what to update there to make the text pass the filter, can anyone help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Victor.jacon (talk • contribs) 00:03, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Edit request: BLP, sourcing and neutrality concerns (COI disclosure)

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Disclosure: I am on staff at Futures Church and am a family member of the pastors named in the article. I am not editing the article directly and am asking uninvolved editors to review the following.

Four passages rely on a single 2015 feature in The Daily Telegraph (Sydney) (ref [8], Benns, 10 April 2015). The article cites it four times.

1. Private residence (WP:BLP, WP:NPOV). "Ashley and Jane Evans with their youngest son moved into a three-storey five-bedroom, five-bathroom mansion, with a wine cellar and theatre, in Atlanta." This describes the private home of living people, including a minor at the time, has no bearing on the history of the organisation, and its placement directly after a financial figure implies a connection the source does not itself state. Request removal of the sentence.

2. "Prosperity gospel" (WP:V, WP:ABOUTSELF, WP:LEAD). The article states "The church teaches a prosperity gospel" in both the lead and the Beliefs section. In the cited source this is Professor Marion Maddox's characterisation of Pentecostal churches generally, not a statement about this church's teaching. The church's published statement of faith (https://futures.church/what-we-believe) sets out seventeen doctrinal articles and does not include prosperity teaching. Per WP:ABOUTSELF, request that the Beliefs section be rewritten to summarise the published statement (Trinity, biblical authority, salvation by grace, baptism in the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues, divine healing, water baptism, the return of Christ), with Maddox retained as attributed opinion, e.g. "Religious studies academic Marion Maddox has characterised Pentecostal churches, including this one, as preaching a prosperity gospel." Request removal of the unattributed sentence from the lead.

3. The US$631,728 figure (WP:V, WP:UNDUE). The source attributes this to "income returns filed in America." US churches are exempt from IRS Form 990 filing and no such return is publicly available, so the figure cannot be verified beyond the newspaper's assertion. The clause "as in Australia, all tax free" is the journalist's editorial framing reproduced nearly verbatim. If retained, request it be rewritten as attributed: "A 2015 Daily Telegraph report stated the Atlanta church had income of US$631,728 in its first year." Otherwise request removal.

4. Atlanta launch context (WP:V). The article currently gives no date or detail for the US plant. Published sources give the launch as 4 November 2012 at the Gwinnett Convention Center following preview services (Patch, 17 October 2012: https://patch.com/georgia/dacula/an--australian-pastors-officially-launch-brand-new-ina824274195), and the church's own site states it began with one family meeting in a living room (https://kennesaw.influencers.church/ashley-and-jane/). Request these be added to the History section.

Thanks for reviewing.

Alphua (talk) 15:34, 14 September 2026 (UTC)

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