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Latest comment: 7 months ago by ~2026-19610 in topic Decimalisation

MOS: Present

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Is there guidance that explains why this article uses the past tense? Since this calendar can still be calculated and expressed, so never really ceases to be, doesn't MOS: Present mean this article (and related ones) should reflect that? I know there are carve-outs from MOS: Present for certain subjects, so I'm wondering if there is one for calendars that I missed.128.151.71.7 (talk) 13:11, 21 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

"Napoleon declared it abolished" in 1805. Sounds pretty past tense to me. It's not in actual use today. Sure, one could calculate dates as though it were still in use, just like one can calculate Gregorian dates before 1583, or Numa Roman dates after 45 BCE, and some Trekkies use stardates. But there isn't even agreement on how Republican dates should be calculated. Originally, dates were counted from the September equinox, but some would prefer the proposed reform of year 3. I have seen at least 3 other proposed methods.
--Nike (talk) 08:25, 22 February 2023 (UTC) (L'an deux cent trente un de la République française une et indivisible le premier tridi le jour trois du mois de Pluviôse à trois heures cinquante six minutes quarante trois secondes décimales du t.m.P.)Reply
du le mois? —Tamfang (talk) 17:41, 22 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
Pardon moi, I don’t speak French, and I was trying to imitate civil actes from the Revolution. —Nike (talk) 23:26, 22 February 2023 (UTC) (L'an deux cent trente un de la République française une et indivisible le premier tridi le jour trois du mois de Pluviôse à neuf heures huitante trois minutes cinquante un secondes décimales du t.m.P.)Reply
I liked your previous format, eg Septidi 17 Vendémiaire an CCXXIX à 1 heure 25 minutes décimales t.m.P but miss the plants. Today is le jour de la perce-niege (literally, the plant that breaks through the snow), the day of the snowdrop. Climate change apart, how poetic and indicative that is of this time of year! Scarabocchio (talk) 11:31, 23 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
You can see the different formats at Calendars — Decimal Time. There are Twitter bots that post the daily flowers. Nike (talk) 16:57, 23 February 2023 (UTC) (L'an deux cent trente un de la République française une et indivisible le premier quartidi le jour quatre du mois de Pluviôse à sept heures douze minutes cinquante deux secondes décimales du t.m.P.)Reply
I added rural plant days. You can check it any day at Republican Date Happy Spinach Day.
L 'an deux cent trente un de la République française une et indivisible le second sextidi le jour seize du mois de Ventôse, le jour de l’Épinard à une heure soixante dix minutes sept secondes décimales du t.m.P. Nike (talk) 01:36, 7 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
You are quite mad :-) but you are not alone. See also the Spinach entry, 16 Ventôse, here: User:Scarabocchio/calendar#Winter/3:_Ventôse Scarabocchio (talk) 08:27, 7 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
You should post daily tweets about them, like 8th other revolutionaries.
Trois heures quatre vingt sept minutes cinquante deux secondes décimales du t.m.P. Nike (talk) 09:11, 7 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
There are, alas, too many days without quirky articles. Scarabocchio (talk) 09:26, 7 March 2023 (UTC) / 17 Ventôse CCXXXI (FRC)Reply
You should see all the tweets the other revolutionaries post every day. 16 Ventôse year CCXXXI, spinach day @ 7h 18m 91s PMT Nike (talk) 17:08, 7 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
I am currently dying inside from Wheezy, Sneezy, Freezy, Slippy, Drippy, Nippy, Showery, Flowery, Bowery, Hoppy, Croppy, and Poppy DragonMaster9817 (talk) 16:33, 3 May 2023 (UTC)Reply
Je vous pardonne puisque – ahem. I forgive you because you did not write "d'l'mois" as many ignorant people might do. —Tamfang (talk) 22:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

Horizontal format(?)

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I'm thinking about reformatting the individual monthly listings horizontally, eg:

Nivôse
décade 1
1 21 Dec Tourbe (Peat)
2 22 Dec Houille (Coal)
3 23 Dec Bitume (Bitumen)
4 24 Dec Soufre (Sulphur)
5 25 Dec Chien (Dog)
6 26 Dec Lave (Lava)
7 27 Dec Terre végétale (Topsoil)
8 28 Dec Fumier (Manure)
9 29 Dec Salpêtre (Saltpeter)
10 30 Dec Fléau (Flail)
décade 2
11 31 Dec Granit (Granite)
12 1 Jan Argile (Clay)
13 2 Jan Ardoise (Slate)
14 3 Jan Grès (Sandstone)
15 4 Jan Lapin (Rabbit)
16 5 Jan Silex (Flint)
17 6 Jan Marne (Marl)
18 7 Jan Pierre à chaux (Limestone)
19 8 Jan Marbre (Marble)
20 9 Jan Van (Winnowing fan)
décade 3
21 10 Jan Pierre à plâtre (Gypsum)
22 11 Jan Sel (Salt)
23 12 Jan Fer (Iron)
24 13 Jan Cuivre (Copper)
25 14 Jan Chat (Cat)
26 15 Jan Étain (Tin)
27 16 Jan Plomb (Lead)
28 17 Jan Zinc (Zinc)
29 18 Jan Mercure (Mercury)
30 19 Jan Crible (Sieve)

Thoughts? Scarabocchio (talk) 16:51, 27 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

These should probably be separate templates rather than an update to the existing templates. The current templates work well when placed alongside other templates, while these works better on their own. Its a matter of personal preference, but I favor the colored illustrations over the black and white prints. CitrusHemlock 17:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
I agree that the full-sized, coloured, images give a lot more interest and context. So, something like this?
Nivôse
décade 1
1 21 Dec Tourbe (Peat)
2 22 Dec Houille (Coal)
3 23 Dec Bitume (Bitumen)
4 24 Dec Soufre (Sulphur)
5 25 Dec Chien (Dog)
6 26 Dec Lave (Lava)
7 27 Dec Terre végétale (Topsoil)
8 28 Dec Fumier (Manure)
9 29 Dec Salpêtre (Saltpeter)
10 30 Dec Fléau (Flail)
décade 2
11 31 Dec Granit (Granite)
12 1 Jan Argile (Clay)
13 2 Jan Ardoise (Slate)
14 3 Jan Grès (Sandstone)
15 4 Jan Lapin (Rabbit)
16 5 Jan Silex (Flint)
17 6 Jan Marne (Marl)
18 7 Jan Pierre à chaux (Limestone)
19 8 Jan Marbre (Marble)
20 9 Jan Van (Winnowing fan)
décade 3
21 10 Jan Pierre à plâtre (Gypsum)
22 11 Jan Sel (Salt)
23 12 Jan Fer (Iron)
24 13 Jan Cuivre (Copper)
25 14 Jan Chat (Cat)
26 15 Jan Étain (Tin)
27 16 Jan Plomb (Lead)
28 17 Jan Zinc (Zinc)
29 18 Jan Mercure (Mercury)
30 19 Jan Crible (Sieve)

Scarabocchio (talk) 20:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

I'd support this, please add it! perhaps we could also add a modern day conversion infobox to the lead AssanEcho (talk) 17:08, 9 September 2025 (UTC)Reply
I can't work out how to add the second format without having to duplicate the (date=plant x) data, leading the inevitability of the lists diverging. There needs to be a single, unique place that defines which plant/ object is related to a given date. The alternate format is pretty, but that is not reason enough to break that rule. Scarabocchio (talk) 13:07, 21 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

Spelling

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Does this article use British or American spelling? ɑntured (tɑlk) 12:33, 9 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

Curious question .. are you thinking of anything in particular? I'd say French spelling and rules > then general European (so favouring British English) > and, only finally, any other language variant. For instance, US date formats would be out of place... Scarabocchio (talk) 23:53, 17 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
I think since France and Britain are European, this should use British spelling. ~[ɑƞʈuɼeđ] [] [] 15:50, 18 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

1.Nivôse (21 December), the first day of the FRC winter months, and the Day of Peat

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Nivôse
1 21 Dec Tourbe (Peat)
Preserved head of the Tollund Man, died 405-380 BCE

Peat. Peat is in principle a renewable source of energy. However, its extraction rate in industrialized countries far exceeds its slow regrowth rate of 1mm per year. The characteristics of some bog plants actively promote bog formation. For example, sphagnum mosses actively secrete tannins, which preserve organic material. Sphagnum also have special water-retaining cells, known as hyaline cells, which can release water ensuring the bogland remains constantly wet.

Naturally mummified human bodies, often called "bog bodies" have been found in various places in Scotland, England, Ireland, and especially northern Germany and Denmark. They are almost perfectly preserved by the tanning properties of the acidic water, as well as by the antibiotic properties of the organic component sphagnan. A famous example is the Tollund Man in Denmark. Having been discovered in 1950 after being mistaken for a recent murder victim, he was exhumed for scientific purposes and dated to have lived during the 4th century BC.

Scarabocchio (talk) 20:26, 22 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

Are you urging that this be added to the calendar article?? —Antonissimo (talk) 05:47, 23 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
I was just embracing one of the original purposes of the calendar .. to use the plants, animals and other materials associated with each day in the calendar to become more aware of the world around us. It was an interesting exercise, but it's a one-off here, and I've no intention to bloat the main article. Scarabocchio (talk) 06:31, 23 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

Decimalisation

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"The numbering of years by Roman numerals ran counter to this general decimalisation tendency".

Why so? The Roman numeral system is decimal - just not positional. ~2026-19610 (talk) 23:25, 1 January 2026 (UTC)Reply