Talk:Francis George

Priest Daniel McCormack

Can't believe this isn't in the article. Obviously, this guy is getting softball treatment. --anonymous 02:49, 22 March 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.226.100.219 (talk)

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If Cardinal George was not from the U.S., I think he would be considered as a papal candidate. He has doctorates in both theology and philosophy. He's fluent in English, Italian, Spanish and French. He has administrative experience in Rome and the Vicar General of the religious order, Oblates of Mary Immaculate. He has a scholarly background as a Professor of Philosophy. He has pastoral experience as the Bishop of Yakima (Wash.), the Archbishop of Portland (Ore.) and the Archbishop of Chicago. His greatest areas of expertise in relation to the other cardinals are in the relation of faith and culture, missiology and evangelization, and religious life. His religious order devotes itself to evangelization of poor and otherwise marginalized people, thus giving him a strong social justice background. As Bishop of Yakima and Archbishop of Chicago, hispanic ministry has been an important part of his pastoral duties. He was also the Relator for the Synod of Bishops for the Americas (North and South). He experiences the effects of polio which he contracted as a child, which gives him a familiar sensitivity for the needs and spirituality of those dealing with handicaps and illnesses. Furthermore, he has an engaging personality with a great sense of humor. I highly doubt that he will be selected to become Pope though given that he is a native of the U.S. which wields so much power in the world. Its not considered wise to have the Pope come from a military and economic superpower.

Right now George will have another 11 years left until he reaches his 80th birthday. I think there is a possibility that he could participate in at least one more papal conclave between now and then. Benedict is not a young man, and I don't think we'll see another 26 year reign with Benedict.
JesseG 19:51, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

One negative for his advancement is Googling his name could turn up Monsignor George Francis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.194.180.159 (talk) 00:08, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Name

His name is confusing, both in the Wikipedia entry and in real life. His title is Cardinal, yet it is in the middle of his name, and this is never specified. Referring to him by his last name seems like he is being referred to by a first name, and without his title, is that disrespectful? (Presidents can be called by just their last name....) Also, can he be called "Bishop George"?

Before he became a cardinal, the Wikipedia entry should refer to him with that title, shouldn't it? --SidP 21:17, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

There are numerous ways one can address Cardinal George or any cardinal in that matter. Once a Bishop has been appointed cardinal, cardinal because part of their perminate name.

• Francis Cardinal George
• Cardinal Francis George
• Francis Eugene Cardinal George
• Your Eminence, Cardinal George
• Cardinal Archbishop Francis George

The technically correct way to address a Cardinal initially, in writing, to a third person, is as follows:

• Latin written tradition: His Eminence,<Given Name> Cardinal <Surname> (i.e. H.E. John Henry Cardinal Newman, middle name used in this case because Card. Newman was known by his full name.)

• Modern English system: His Eminence, Cardinal <Given Name> <Surname> "H.E., Cardinal John Henry Newman"

I don't believe "Cardinal Archbishop" is a proper term, as that confuses titles, and is factually incorrect in this case anyway. Let's just say it would be better (more correct) to say "Francis Cardinal (or Cardinal Francis) George, Abp of Chicago." A Cardinalatial appointment is to one of three orders: bishop, priest, or deacon. The term "Cardinal Bishop" indicates a specific group of Cardinals who are bishops of suburbicarian diocese of Rome. Most of the Cardinals (IMPORTANT NOTE: including Card. George) are actually of the order of "Cardinal Priests." These Cardinals are bishops with pastoral responsibilities in an ordinariate, and (except for those of Uniate Churches) have titular churches in Rome, which was originally part of how they were able to elect the future Popes. Cardinal Deacons are usually ordained as bishops upon selection, but may be granted a waiver, such as in the case of Card. Dulles. Caisson 06 (talk) 20:06, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

"Cardinal Archbishop" is just a popular term to indicate a Cardinal who is also the ordinary of an archdiocese. Such a Cardinal would be of the order of cardinal priests, because that's what's usually given to a Cardinal who is an ordinary from outside the province of Rome.

Also, I've read that the practice of inserting "Cardinal" between first and last names goes back to before people were using last names. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.47 (talk) 17:55, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

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Too much detail

There is way too much detail in this article. It looks less like a biographical article and more like the man's CV! Why for example is there a whole chapter about his illness when a sentence (if anything) would do. It even tells us how he fell over! I am removing some of this and if someone wants to restore then suggest we keep it pertinent, relevant and sharp. Contaldo80 (talk) 08:50, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Resignation

Cardinal George is no longer Archbishop of Chicago, his office ended today. Press Office of the Holy See says that "his resignation was accepted", so he does not stay in office until 18 Novmeber 2014, when Archbhishop-elect Cupich will take possesion of the Archdiocese (according to Can. 382 § 2 of the Code of Canon Law). Varro (talk) 17:10, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

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In the news lately, Cardinal George's prophecy concerning an American Pope

Seemingly quoted by Robert Barron, bishop of the Diocese of Winona–Rochester in Minnesota, while awaiting in Rome for the election of a new pope. He had been appointed less than a week before, by President Trump, to the new White House Commission on Religious Liberty:

"Cardinal George of Chicago, of happy memory, was one of my great mentors, and he said: 'Look, until America goes into political decline, there won't be an American pope.' And his point was, if America is kind of running the world politically, culturally, economically, they don't want America running the world religiously. So, I think there's some truth to that, that we're such a superpower and so dominant, they don't wanna give us, also, control over the church." CBS had the story.

Worth putting Cardinal George's prophecy into the article, now that we have an American pope elected during a turbulent period in the USA? Larry Koenigsberg (talk) 23:45, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

@Darth Stabro You removed the section on Cardinal George's prophecy concerning an American Pope from the article. Your memo of your edit: Political analysis: unneeded section. This really begs the question. A Cardinal's prophecy in the realm of politics is certainly a useful fact in an article about him. And as a lay person, I consider it more probable than not, that the choice of the American Pope Leo is a reflection of the College's wish to ameliorate international harms to the most vulnerable, in what might at best be considered acts of omission by the US President.

I would greatly appreciate you giving a more substantial explanation for removing the section that "unneeded." I think it is needed, as I indicated in May. That view (above) received no comment at all, hence my decision to include the information in the article itself. Please let me know your thoughts about this. Larry Koenigsberg (talk) 22:09, 25 October 2025 (UTC)

An entire section dedicated to another bishop using a quote of Cardinal George is WP:UNDUE. It doesn't particularly fit in "Viewpoints". If anything, it would go in "Legacy" and it's still a remark whose inclusion in the article seems to be a political statement about the decline in America, which is not WP:NPOV. How is the quote particularly notable, especially when we're hearing about it secondhand? ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 23:05, 25 October 2025 (UTC)

A prediction about the selection of a Pope is worthy of inclusion, is it not? It was certainly newsworthy at the time. I looked at putting it in Legacy, but there is only one section there, Tributes, and Bishop Barron's quote from the Cardinal is not a tribute.

If restored, that section would, I agree, need to be more WP:NPOV. How about this, as a subsection of Legacy:

===Prediction===

According to Bishop Barron, "Cardinal George of Chicago, of happy memory, was one of my great mentors, and he said: 'Look, until America goes into political decline, there won't be an American pope.'"

Larry Koenigsberg (talk) 00:11, 26 October 2025 (UTC)