Talk:Frances Alda

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More info at Find-A-Grave. Lincher 18:40, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism on article history page

In one of the edit summaries, not sure how to fix it. Ernest the Sheep (talk) 05:16, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I think it just stays there. It's the history, after all, of all edits. --Kleinzach 07:50, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes. The vandal is you. You go around changing articles about New Zealanders to turn them into Australians. Frances Alda was born in New Zealand, and there is no record of her ever being an Australian. Jessica Watson, for example has two New Zealand parents, has a New Zealand passport, but was born in Australia. Therefore she IS an Australian, just as Frances Alda WAS a New Zealander. Wallie (talk) 08:47, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

A New Zealander

Why is it that many articles with people born in New Zealand are suddenly changed to being "Australian". In this case, this article says that she is a New Zealander in all languages other than the English one. It does have to be said that a certain person does go around changing articles in this way, and then calls people who change them back "vandals". (see above) Wallie (talk) 05:09, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

In my edit Frances Alda is described as being New Zealand/Australian, which I would suggest is a fair compromise based on the facts. If you have any other information that would imply otherwise feel free to present it. As for the other articles in different languages you refer to, I would suggest they are based on previous versions of the English article, or other slightly biased articles such as the one on the nzedge website mentioned in external links. Ernest the Sheep (talk) 09:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

No. Alda is widely known as a New Zealander only. She does not even have any Australian relatives! It is like calling Jessica Watson a New Zealander, or an Australian/New Zealander. Jessica continues to hold a New Zealand passport and nearly all her relatives are New Zealanders. However, she states she is 100 percent Australian and New Zealanders accept that. In the same way, Frances Alda always said she was a New Zealander.

You seem to have something against New Zealand. Unfortunately by being persistant like you are, the truth is often distorted.

As far as the non English language articles are concerned, they are in no way biased. The NZedge articles are written in English anyway. Wallie (talk) 09:57, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't quite follow -what is your point? The description of Alda as being New Zealand/Australian would appear to be an accurate reflection on her life story, she did only live in NZ to the age of one (it could even be argued that she was NZ/AUS/USA as I believe she later become a US citizen). If you have evidence that would suggest that she should be referred to as a NZer only, then feel free to present it here. The New Zealand/Australian description is supported in the links provided at the end of the main article. Ernest the Sheep (talk) 21:15, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

If she moved to Australia at the age of one and lived there most of her life, standard practice here on Wikipedia seems to be to call her New Zealander-Australian, or New Zealand born Australian. Changing something like that backwards and forwards constitutes an edit war if it occurs more than three times in 24 hours, but it is not vandalism under Wikipedia policy. Vandalism is inserting completely unrelated nonsense into an article (gibberish or obscenities), not something you happen to disagree with. You have no authority to call him a vandal, regardless of how much you disagree with him. Mike Hayes (talk) 22:32, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

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Cerebral hemorrage = stroke

From the article: She died of a stroke (some sources cite cerebral hemorrhage). A cerebral hemorrage is a type of stroke, so I don't think the text in parentheses is needed. We should say either "she died of a stroke" or "she died of a cerebral hemorrage" but no need to say both. I've revised it.

From Wikipedia: "Intracerebral bleeds are the second most common cause of stroke" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intracerebral_hemorrhage#Causes

From WebMD: "A brain hemorrhage is a type of stroke" https://www.webmd.com/brain/brain-hemorrhage-bleeding-causes-symptoms-treatments#1

Omc (talk) 15:48, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Jewish

Looking at Alda's entry on Find-a-Grave and especially at Geni.com, it's abundantly clear that Frances Alda was Jewish, even though she's buried in a Episcopal Cemetery (her brother is buried in a Jewish cemetery in Australia and her mother is buried in a Jewish cemetery in California). I've read her book and she doesn't mention this at all (probably deliberately). I just want to put this out there in case someone finds a published work where it is stated that Alda was Jewish. - kosboot (talk) 15:44, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

David Davies ?

Singers of Australia (Barbara and Findlay MacKenzie 1966) has her father as Andrew Davies, member of an opera orchestra in NZ. This is the only source I can find to support the "Davies" contention. The authoritative Te Ara – The Encyclopedia of New Zealand has her birthname Fanny (a common synonym for Frances) Jane Davis. The most convincing account, to me, is the newspaper account of her mother's divorce, long before young Frances learned "do-re-mi": "The Simonsen Divorce Case". Newcastle Morning Herald And Miners' Advocate. Vol. VIII, no. 1934. New South Wales, Australia. 27 September 1880. p. 4. Retrieved 21 November 2025 – via National Library of Australia.

Doug butler (talk) 22:51, 20 November 2025 (UTC)