Talk:Flavius Earinus

Requested move 22 July 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. Many proposals were shared in this discussion, but none of them had any concrete consensus. As this has dragged on for almost a month, I am closing this RM as "no consensus". (closed by non-admin page mover) Jeffrey34555 (talk) 04:37, 22 August 2025 (UTC)

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• Flavius Earinus → Earinus
• Earinus → Earinus (wasp)

– He's probably best known by just his cognomen. ★Trekker (talk) 16:11, 22 July 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. – 🌻 Hilst (talk | contribs) 20:58, 29 July 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPath^talk 07:18, 6 August 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 11:35, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

Note: the second proposal is necessary because "Earinus" is an article with content and must also be dispositioned. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. – welcome! – 02:11, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

• Comment, if moved, the article currently titled Earinus should be moved to Earinus (wasp), which is consistent with the disambiguating term used for other articles in Category:Braconidae genera. Plant and animal genera can share a name, and the most common reason for a genus name to be ambiguous is that there is another genus with the same name. (genus) is not a satisfactory disambiguating term. The second most common reason for a genus name to be ambiguous is ambiguity with a term in ancient Latin or Greek, as is the case here. Plantdrew (talk) 15:46, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your help! The dab's been changed from "genus" to "wasp". P.I. Ellsworth , ed. – welcome! – 16:03, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support 1st Per nom. The 2nd should be moved to Earinus (wasp genus), as (wasp) implies an individual animal, and is therefore highly incorrect, regardless of how often it is used in an incorrect manner. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:02, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

  @Zxcvbnm: what do you think about (insect) as a disambiguator? There are only 3 articles on Wikipedia that have something before genus in a disambiguation: Clelia (snake genus), Appendicularia (animal genus) and [Nasturtium (plant genus)]]. There are at least 2828 articles where (genus) is insufficient to disambiguate (there are 1414 pages in Category:Genus disambiguation pages).

  When disambiguation is required, most articles on individual animals are disambiguated with a highly specific common name for the species or family: (dog), (orca), (raven), (parrot), (rabbit), (bear), etc. Most articles on genera are disambiguated with a less specific common name for a higher taxonomic rank: (bird), (gastropod), (fungus).

  I can see that (wasp) might be taken to refer to an individual animal. I can't see thinking by default that (gastropod) or (fungus) would refer to an individual (what even is an individual fungus?). There are very few articles on individual invertebrates (Category:Individual invertebrates). The two articles on individual gastropods are George (snail) and Jeremy (snail), with a more specific disambiguation than the (gastropod) disambiguation used for genera.

  Would using the less specific disambiguation (insect) instead of (wasp) alleviate your concerns that an individual animal is implied? Plantdrew (talk) 20:04, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

  I still believe that both (insect) and (wasp) imply an individual animal. Yes, there are problems on a large scale with using these DABs with people assuming otherwise. The only acceptable DAB to me really would be (genus) or (X genus). ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:54, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

  I don't see much chance of confusion if italics are used, as they must be. Srnec (talk) 11:44, 7 August 2025 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisting to get a consensus on the disambiguator. – 🌻 Hilst (talk | contribs) 20:58, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose in part Earinus should be a disambig page. Flavius Earinus is an obscure enough figure that we can't really argue that it's the WP:COMMONNAME for "Earinus" over the wasp, even if the wasp is also obscure. The wasp genus Earinus should be moved to Earinus (genus). Hemiauchenia (talk) 15:05, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose. The justification given by nom He's probably best known by just his cognomen is glaringly irrelevant. There's another meaning of Earinus, so the question then becomes one of primary topic. No evidence supporting this obscure individual being the PT of Earinus, and it's IMO highly unlikely. Andrewa (talk) 00:30, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

  I would have thought it unlikely, too, but GScholar suggests it's not. Srnec (talk) 11:44, 7 August 2025 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Last relist Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 11:35, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.