Talk:Fire Emblem Shadows

GA review

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Nominator: Pokelego999 (talk · contribs) 03:03, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

Reviewer: OpalYosutebito (talk · contribs) 00:53, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

I've always wanted to review a Fire Emblem article, and now's my chance, even if the game wasn't what I had in mind. I worry that it might be a little too soon for the article to become a GA, but that's just my paranoia kicking in! :D - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 00:53, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

At a glance, I've noticed some sources comparing the game's mechanics to Among Us. It might be interesting to mention for broadness purposes :) - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 01:00, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

Added a few sources that include Among Us comparisons Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 01:24, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

I feel like the sentence would fit a little better in the "Critical reception" section, since that's where all the opinions and reactions typically belong - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 22:43, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

I will shift it there momentarily. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 01:58, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

@Pokelego999 do you have any information on who wrote/produced/programmed the game? I'm looking at Fire Emblem Heroes as a reference article of sorts, and FEH's infobox looks pretty in-depth in comparison... - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 23:07, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

@OpalYosutebito that is because FEH's infobox includes a lot of unsourced information. I previously removed this from Shadows's article to avoid having unsourced info. That information should typically be cited in the body, but given that most of the people who worked on this game aren't discussed in secondary sources, I see no reason to include the information. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 01:58, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

If you haven't done so already, there should be some clarification/explanation surrounding the "animal" variants of each of the characters, like Dimitri's lion form (the second source straight-up calls them their fursonas). I'm guessing the characters turn into animals when their cover's been blown? - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 01:28, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

@Pokelego999 I initially included credits for director, producer, etc. when I created this page because video game infoboxes draw directly from the game's credits in the same way that plot summaries are directly sourced from the game they're describing and therefore don't need specific citations. The page for Fire Emblem Heroes, for example, does just that. It's not unsourced, it's just that the page is sourcing the game itself without a citation which is normal. Both Heroes and Shadows feature a full staff credits in their "About this App" sections. Many video game infoboxes do this and doing so is mentioned specifically on this infobox's documentation page. The credits inititally used for the infobox are in the game itself much like the plot and therefore are a reliable source for this information that does not need to specifically cited. I would like to restore these credits to the page. ThePieMaster51 (talk) 17:42, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

That also sounds good to me - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 17:50, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

@ThePieMaster51 could you cite a policy for this? I've discussed this with other editors in the past and I see nothing in MOS:INFOBOX that discusses what you're saying Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 18:35, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

@Pokelego999 I'm specifically referring to the page for the video game infobox we're using here. Template:Infobox video game has descriptors for each individual parameter that mention how to list that parameter based on how the game's credits list the staff. I've used that as my guideline for using the video game infobox in the past. ThePieMaster51 (talk) 18:53, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

@ThePieMaster51 That is a guide that shows how to include credits based off what is present in the game. It does not say we can include information without citations, nor does it say it's being inherently cited to the game itself. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 18:57, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

@Pokelego999 Then I will leave the page as is. ThePieMaster51 (talk) 18:59, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

This sentence is a bit unclear to me: Players then must fight the traitor in combat; if the other players defeat the traitor, they win, but if the traitor defeats the other players, they win. I'll edit it right now - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 22:44, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

Butting in, I think that the line "Upon release, the game received negative responses from Fire Emblem fans" is not really supported by the source. The article only cherry picks three griping fans on Xitter and doesn't cite any sort of larger fan survey about how much the game is liked. I don't think this is enough to really make any definitive statement on fan satisfaction, though critics obviously panned it. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 00:17, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

To add to this, the lede states that the game "received negative reviews from critics and fans" - I don't see a source where entire negative fan "reviews" are discussed, apart from the above source, which only quotes short social media posts that couldn't be called reviews. It should probably just remove the "fan" part and only cite negative critical reception. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 00:24, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, calling anything "negatively received" has to have a diverse array of reliable sources to back it up. Also, sorry for not responding sooner; I've been busy with midterm week - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 00:32, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

@OpalYosutebito I assume you want me to remove the fans mentions? Just want to make sure. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 01:47, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

An additional note: the plot section's missing Book 2's plot summary, as two books have in fact been released so far. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 02:28, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

I nominated this before Book 2's release; I'll add this sometime tomorrow when I have some time on my hands. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 02:38, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. I took a glance at another article for a video game, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, and it didn't mention anything fan-related until the "Legacy" section - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 02:29, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

@OpalYosutebito I've removed the fan mentions and added Book 2's plot info. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 20:41, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll take a look at it soon. Midterm week ended for me, so we've got plenty of time - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 20:43, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

Looks good so far! Just please be sure not to include "nowiki" markup next time you want to include an apostrophe. Instead, you should use the apostrophe template:

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- OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 20:55, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

Just seeing this now: I use visual editor, sometimes it just makes those and I can't tell where in the article it does this. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 18:36, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

I just plugged the page through Earwig. So far, so good! :D - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 21:28, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

@OpalYosutebito Hi, just wanting to double check on what the status of this review is. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 00:28, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

It's currently rather late in my area, but I'll look through the sources one more time - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 03:39, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

Aside from needing some more information to fulfill broadness, everything looks good! It might be worth mentioning that the "traitor" is called the disciple of shadow, the characters' animal forms (like Dimitri as a lion) aren't really brought up in the article's plot (see second source), and the third source criticizes the multiplayer aspect of the game, since you can't communicate with other players - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 03:50, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

The fourth source mentions werewolves and "chemized" characters such as Lyn and Dimitri. It also talks about revivals and resurrections for the gameplay, how the mechanics tie into social deduction, and the contrasting roles between the light (called Hikari in the article) and dark factions. - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 04:00, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

@OpalYosutebito I've incorporated a bit into Gameplay, but I'm sure what else is needed. For the "Disciple of Shadow", I feel it's easier for comprehension to refer to them with a simpler term like "traitor", which is also used in-game and in sources for the game. I'm not sure where to fit the animal transformations in, since they aren't super plot relevant and I'm not sure where it'd go (Gameplay doesn't really have room for it).

Source 3 is already covered in Reception: "also felt the gameplay lacked depth, particularly in terms of the social elements of the game" though I can make this clearer if need be. Adding the 11th source to Reception. Let me know what else needs to be done. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 04:29, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

It was late in my area when you replied, so sorry for the late response. I'll look at what you did when I get home :D - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 21:07, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

Absolutely no worries; take the time you need. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 04:07, 6 November 2025 (UTC)

I think the animal part could fit in with when the traitor is revealed, though I could be wrong - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 02:59, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

@OpalYosutebito could you give me an example of how you'd phrase it? I'm admittedly just not sure how to do so right now. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 03:05, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

Writer's block is the worst! I guess the animal part would be worded like...

• Once the traitor is revealed, they transform into an animal version of themselves and become much stronger. The animal form in question depends on the various body parts that the traitor exhibits, such as Kurt's dog ears.(appropriate sources here) - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 03:20, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

@OpalYosutebito Perhaps, for simplicity, something like "Once the traitor is revealed, they transform into an animalistic version of themselves based on a particular trait present on their body."

Also, where would you suggest slotting this in Gameplay? I'm not quite sure where this fits. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 04:46, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

@OpalYosutebito checking in on the status of this Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 00:01, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

You responded at just the right time! If you're unable to find anything else regarding the game, then I'll be happy to pass the article under the broadness criteria! :) - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 00:11, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

@OpalYosutebito do you have any comments about the animal line suggestion I mentioned above? Other than that I believe that is all. I've added a new source that gives some updates about the game's revenue, but beyond that nothing else has come out from what I can tell. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 01:49, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

The animal line looks good to me :) - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 03:22, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

@OpalYosutebito do you have an idea of where you want it placed? I expressed some concerns about that earlier and I'm admittedly unsure of where to put it. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 03:53, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

Hmm... maybe put it before the sentence starting with Players then must fight the traitor, since the animal forms don't come out until the second round, right? - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 03:56, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

@OpalYosutebito Added. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 03:59, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

The 11th source (in Italian) praises some aspects of the game (and the 12th source backs this opinion up), such as the character artwork and the opening cutscene, but says that the game goes downhill from there - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 04:20, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

Comments

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Passed - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 04:02, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

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