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England

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Result: Delisted. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:21, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

There is uncited text throughout the article. Z1720 (talk) 20:47, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Work could also be done on GACR3b, as the article has gained almost 3,000 words over time since its promotion. CMD (talk) 02:05, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 May 2026

Titles of government officials/ministers could all be put in lowercases, considering secretory of state for education is already.

Under media, tidy up the paragraph so it looks more tidy on desktop. Currently, the text alongside the image looks scruffy. ~2026-30736-84 (talk) 21:32, 22 May 2026 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please detail the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. You need to be much more specific. It isn't clear what titles you're referring to or how the text looks "scruffy". Day Creature (talk) 05:47, 23 May 2026 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 May 2026

Under Early modern period, it is stated England started to develop naval skills under the Tudors.

But this isn't actually correct. England already had a history of naval skills and naval fighting. Indeed, there were naval battles in the Middle Ages.

A way to rephrase this could be:

During the Tudor period, the Renaissance reached England, the English Royal Navy became a professional seafaring force, and exploration intensified in the Age of Discovery.

Sources:

https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/The_Navy_of_Henry_VIII_Elizabeth_I/z1ydswEACAAJ?hl=en https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/The_Tudor_Navy/7l1nAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=During+the+Tudor+period,+the+English+Royal+Navy+became+a+professional+seafaring+force,+and+exploration+intensified+in+the+Age+of+Discovery&dq=During+the+Tudor+period,+the+English+Royal+Navy+became+a+professional+seafaring+force,+and+exploration+intensified+in+the+Age+of+Discovery&printsec=frontcover https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/The_Tudor_Navy/YQyoDQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=During+the+Tudor+period,+the+English+Royal+Navy+became+a+professional+seafaring+force,+and+exploration+intensified+in+the+Age+of+Discovery&printsec=frontcover ~2026-30837-18 (talk) 16:38, 24 May 2026 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want made. Day Creature (talk) 17:12, 24 May 2026 (UTC)

Sure. Just did. ~2026-30863-41 (talk) 17:43, 24 May 2026 (UTC)

It looks like you searched within these books for the text you want to add to the article, which isn't really helpful. Please provide page numbers at the very least. Day Creature (talk) 18:46, 24 May 2026 (UTC)

Sources:

https://jmvh.org/article/tudor-ships-warfare-and-medicine/

https://gtr.ukri.org/projects?ref=AH%2FL004062%2F1

https://www.historic-uk.com/CultureUK/English-Renaissance/

Also, the English Navy began to develop during the 12th and 13th centuries, King John having a fleet of 500 sails. So England didn't start to gain naval skills in the Tudor era, it became a professional naval force. ~2026-31215-86 (talk) 09:59, 25 May 2026 (UTC)

The English Renaissance, an era of cultural revival and poetic evolution starting in the late 15th century and spilling into the revolutionary years of the 17th century, stands as an early summit of poetry achievement, the era in which the modern sense of English poetry begins.

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/collections/154826/an-introduction-to-the-english-renaissance#:~:text=The%20English%20Renaissance%2C%20an%20era,sense%20of%20English%20poetry%20begins.

The English Renaissance started in the late 1400s, but there's no mention of that. Some readers may think it started in the Elizabethans age only. ~2026-31215-86 (talk) 10:08, 25 May 2026 (UTC)

With respect to the beginning of the Renaissance, the article likely doesn't mention this specifically because it's written in summary style, so it's only giving a very brief overview of English history. A more detailed treatment is available at History of England, where I see that it's mentioned that the Renaissance reached England during Henry VII's reign. As for the Navy, I do think the current phrasing of England developing "naval skills" is vague and unsatisfactory. I'm also not sure about your wording of a "professional seafaring force", though, particularly whether it would be appropriate to call the Tudor-era Royal Navy "professional". Perhaps something along the lines of "England began to develop a standing navy" could work. Day Creature (talk) 17:26, 25 May 2026 (UTC)

I agree with you completely.

Although, what I'm trying to say is that the Royal Navy was founded in the Tudor era, so that was when it started to become a professional force. England had naval skills before the Tudor period, it just never had a professional navy. The Tudor era's navy wasn't as professional as the 17th-19th centuries but it was the foundation for a professional navy force for England. It was in the Tudor era that England set up naval schools, shipyards, and powerful warships. But England had naval skills as far back as the early Middle Ages.

Also, I would suggest adding the fact William III ruled England with his wife, Mary II, as joint monarchs. She was also the Queen of England in her own right alongside William. Currently, the text under Union with Scotland makes no mention of this. The sub-section should be renamed Union with Scotland and English Civil Wars.

I think the claim that 'Under the Stuart dynasty England expanded in trade, finance and prosperity' could be slightly changed to 'The Stuart era was marked by significant growth in trade and the rise of joint-stock companies, leading to increased prosperity. This period also witnessed important advancements associated with the Enlightenment and the Scientific Revolution.'

Source for the above:

https://boydellandbrewer.com/book/common-law-and-enlightenment-in-england-1689-1750-pdf/

https://www.jstor.org/stable/41273738

https://academic.oup.com/ehr/article-abstract/133/560/189/4756045

https://www.victorianweb.org/religion/judaism/gossman3.html

https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/1110068.pdf --~2026-31252-87 (talk) 18:06, 25 May 2026 (UTC)

I've changed "naval skills" to "standing navy" and added "English Civil War" to the section heading. I'm reluctant to implement your other proposed changes because they provide a bit too much detail. As I said, the History section is intentionally a very brief summary, with more detail at the separate History of England article. Other editors may feel differently, and I welcome them to comment. Day Creature (talk) 15:57, 26 May 2026 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 May 2026

Under education, change secretary of state for education to 'Secretary of State for Education'. Add Skills England. ~2026-31197-48 (talk) 14:05, 26 May 2026 (UTC)

 Not done: Capitalization of the office is not done per MOS:JOBTITLE, and it's not clear where or how you would like Skills England to be added. Day Creature (talk) 16:00, 26 May 2026 (UTC)

I would suggest going through each job title in the page and changing them to lower case. I've listed them all below that need changing:

Chancellor of the exchequer

Secretary of state for justice

Secretary of state for environment, food and rural affairs

Secretary of state for science, innovation and technology, and minister of state for science, research and innovation

Secretary of state for transport

Secretary of state for health

Secretary of state for culture, media and sport

And Skills England could be placed here:

Although most English secondary schools are comprehensive, there are selective intake grammar schools to which entrance is subject to passing the eleven-plus exam. Around 7.2 per cent of English schoolchildren attend private schools, which are funded by private sources. Standards in state schools are monitored by the Office for Standards in Education, and in private schools by the Independent Schools Inspectorate. Skills England is a devolved skills and training body, with responsibility for apprenticeships, adult further education, skills, training and careers.https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/skills-england ~2026-31424-53 (talk) 16:37, 26 May 2026 (UTC)

Also, there's a grammar issue at the end of the history section:

England will celebrate it's 2000th year since it's formation in 2027, being founded in 927 from the union of the Unification of Angle (tribe), Saxons (tribe) and Danes (tribe) by King Æthelstan.

Should be:

England will celebrate its 2000th year since its formation in 2027, being founded in 927 from the union of the Unification of Angle (tribe), Saxons (tribe) and Danes (tribe) by King Æthelstan.

Would suggest perhaps removing this as its unsourced anyway. ~2026-31424-53 (talk) 16:45, 26 May 2026 (UTC)

I've lowercased all the job titles and removed the unsourced sentence. I don't think Skills England should be added as it's likely too much detail, but it could go in Education in England instead. Day Creature (talk) 17:47, 26 May 2026 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 May 2026

Secretary of State for Energy Security and Net Zero and The Minister of State for Business, Energy and Clean Growth need to be in lower case.

Under sport, Cricket, Rugby and Association Football need to be in lower case.

Under ancient history, the image could be moved to the left. On desktop it looks a bit sandwiched with the above images on the same position. I suggest changing the image to this one here. The text next to the current image states 'In the 3rd century, Emperor Septimius Severus died at Eboracum (now York), where Constantine was subsequently proclaimed emperor a century later', so this would be a great replacement. ~2026-32091-05 (talk) 02:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

Partly done: I have done the second part of the request. The rest is not very clear to me Happy editing, Slomo666 (talk) 14:56, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 June 2026

Education:

Standards in state schools are monitored by the Office for Standards in Education, and in private schools by the Independent Schools Inspectorate.

Change this to:

Standards in state schools and some independent schools are monitored and inspected by the Office for Standards in Education, and other private schools by the Independent Schools Inspectorate.

Ofsted covers independent schools as well. Make it clear Ofsted inspect schools. Passionflavours (talk) 12:38, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want made. happy editing, Slomo666 (talk) 18:12, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

Government

I have added an efn to the Infobox that accurately describes the current devolution settlement in England and have added two cites

England has devolution under the legal category of Strategic Authority containing Combined Authorities & County Combined Authorities and the Greater London Authority. This system of devolution is sui generis within the UK, and the process is still ongoing with further work required to complete it in England.

this should remain as it fills the gap in the Infobox which is incorrect to say that everything is UK level.ChefBear01 (talk) 20:26, 1 June 2026 (UTC) ChefBear01 (talk) 20:26, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 June 2026

In the section Early modern period, there are pictures of Henry VIII and Elizabeth I. For Henry VIII, it says, "1491-1547", and for Elizabeth I, it says, "1558-1603". Henry lived from 1491-1547, but reigned from 1509-1547. Elizabeth lived from 1533-1603, but reigned from 1558-1603. Therefore, for Henry, you put his birth year, but for Elizabeth, you put the start of her reign. You should be consistent. Please change 1558 to 1533. Thanks. Math Maniac (talk) 10:49, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

 Done I have updated this to be consistent. Thanks! Strugglehouse (talk) 14:19, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 June 2026 (2)

The 'Categories of Governance' is currently a bit of a mess... the map has no caption, the text is poorly phased and planned out, and there's a random full stop at the end which looks out of place. Please tidy this up. ~2026-32721-84 (talk) 11:54, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please detail the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.

Feel free to draft your "tidy" request per WP:EDITXY. Then, afterwards, you may reopen your request. Until then, I fear I cannot help you. happy editing, Slomo666 (talk) 18:17, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

Currently the headings have an underline, which is against Wikipedia style standards. There's way too much focus on devolution and too many sub headings. I think @ChefBear01 themselves could work to tidy their edits up. The inclusion of devolution is a very sound idea, but the way it's been done is very untidy and excessive.

Devolution should be under one heading in a cleaner format. ~2026-33042-23 (talk) 22:35, 3 June 2026 (UTC)—  Blocked sockpuppet of Lam312321321, see investigation. Belbury (talk) 10:20, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

I have tried to clean up the text into clear sections and remove the above underlining.

I would also say that the section is called “Governance” so I am confused as to why there would not be focus on devolution in England or more specially as it has evolved in England governance at at local level as there is not an English Parliament/Government akin to that in other parts of the U.K.ChefBear01 (talk) 11:28, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Capital city

Are there any sources to confirm that London or any city is the capital city of England? Onetwothreeip (talk) 12:09, 25 June 2026 (UTC)

Coordinate error

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—~2026-41716-59 (talk) 23:25, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

You haven't said how the coordinates are erroneous, and they appear to be correct. If you still think that there is an error, you'll need to explain clearly what it is. Deor (talk) 00:42, 27 July 2026 (UTC)