Talk:Emmylou Harris

Emmylou & Arlo video

(Supplied a section header only. Hult041956 (talk ) 20:12, 9 December 2007 (UTC)) (& fixed typo) Hult041956 (talk) 20:13, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

• • Just out of curiosity, there's a video of Emmylou with Arlo Guthrie singing Deportees by Woody Guthrie with a note that it came from Shared Version (Shared VISION?) on You Tube. Here it is for those interested: I certainly wouldn't use anything from You Tube with it's flagrant copyright violations and temporary videos, but thought perhaps there's a place for this collaboration.

and speaking of video collaborations; where is her Transatlantic Sessions video mentioned? There are videos on YouTube, which chronicle her appearances in those Bluegrass meets Irish traditional jam sessions. Cat, who was just stopping by... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.151.192.207 (talk) 14:32, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

If it was an official release, the place to note it is Emmylou_Harris_discography#Video_and_film. Rivertorch (talk) 19:56, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Template:Emmylou Harris

An anonymous editor added Bob Dylan's Desire album to the "Collaborations" section of Template:Emmylou Harris:

23:10, 9 July 2008 84.148.76.189 (Talk) (2,581 bytes) (ROHA: Added a very important collaboration: with Bob Dylan on his album "Desire", on which Harris backs on most of the songs.)

Although Ms. Harris' background and duet vocals are prominent on Desire, her contributions do not rise to the level of a collaboration. Desire is not a "Bob Dylan and Emmylou Harris" album; it is a Bob Dylan album.

I would have edited the template, but the change occurred five weeks ago; I'll therefore solicit comments first.

GrouchyDan (talk) 03:00, 18 August 2008 (UTC) (Dan)

Agree, it's not a collaboration in the sense we're using the term here. While you're at it, please check out Collaborations on the discography page and see what you think about the Carl Jackson entries. Rabid fan that I am, I've never gotten around to those, so I don't know if they qualify. Rivertorch (talk) 04:42, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

I Agree too. If you were to make a template with every duet & harmony by Harris you'd have a really big template. -MrFizyx (talk) 05:32, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Emmylou Harris Biography/With Gram Parsons: horrendously written

The second paragraph (and perhaps the remainder) of the Emmylou Harris: Biography: With Gram Parsons subsection is excellently intended but horrendously written, in my humble opinion. This part of the article used to be unremarkable (a good thing), I thought.

I've come across many Wikipedia articles with fancy, highlit, shouting messages either at an article's top or in an article's subsection that scream to the world "What you're about to read is defective because of A; you can fix it by doing B" et cetera.

I've never tried to figure out how to paste one of those admonitory billboards into an article; I won't because of this issue; I'll just labor to author a fitting replacement to the relevant part of the article.

Unless someone else beats me to the punch or dissuades me. (Do YOU think the article section is critically flawed?)

GrouchyDan (talk) 02:53, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, apparently no one agrees with me. Nonetheless, I've finally made an initial stab at rewriting the second half of the section; I deleted all the text that surrounded the "...drew a crossover of listeners..." because it pertained more to Emmylou's accomplishments during the first part of her solo career than it did to her actual time with Gram. GrouchyDan (talk) 10:12, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I realize that this section, as well as most of the article, needs some inline citations; I promise to add them soon for this section (note that there weren't any prior to my edit). GrouchyDan (talk) 10:19, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Country??

The very first line of the article says that she's a country artist. Obviously, this isn't wrong. But in two senses it is misleading.

For one thing the core audience for Nashville top-forty country is not that enthusiastic about Emmylou being a country artist. Opinion is divided and some commentators are quite definite about this. Certainly she has been succesful on the country charts and every country artist that I have ever heard praises her and wants to record with her. There is a significant sector of country fandom that rejects anyone whose work isn't one hundred percent country, narrowly defined, almost all the time. This leads to my second, and much more serious, objection to the label 'country' for Emmylou.

Ms. Harris has been succesful in almost every sub-genre of popular music except metal and rap/hip-hop. Her musical horizons are limitless. She started out as a folk musician and has done many songs that were rock or pop. That she adds a country "flavor" to these songs is indisputable but she does a lot more than country. Her performance of songs by Neil Young and Bob Dylan and Bruce Springsteen, among others, is one of the reasons that Nashville top-forty fans deny her a country status. More importantly, they show her to be more than a country singer. She is beyond genre, a perfect angel. 65.79.173.135 (talk) 16:30, 13 August 2009 (UTC)Will in New Haven65.79.173.135 (talk) 16:30, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Everything you say is true, and calling her a country singer in the lead sentence runs the risk of overemphasizing her commercial success at the expense of her overall artistry. The policy on verifiability, however, suggests we should go with the way that she's usually described by reliable sources. Unfortunately, I suspect that may be "country", but it would be helpful if you could provide evidence to the contrary. Rivertorch (talk) 08:30, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Artists mentioned in infobox and lede

I made the following changes to the "associated acts" portion of the infobox:

• removed Spyboy and Nash Ramblers because they were (among) Harris's backing bands and not acts with their own identity apart from hers;
• added several artists with an extensive history of collaboration with Harris (both on her records and on theirs);
• added several artists whose duets with Harris resulted in hit singles;
• did not remove any other artists, even though this list cannot possibly be comprehensive and there are probably some one-off faves there inserted by various editors;
• alphabetized the list (including even Gram Parsons) for simplicity's sake and to make it easier to maintain.

I also changed the artists mentioned in the lead paragraph, placing them in descending order based on the number of entire albums and the number of recorded songs they've collaborated on with Harris. (This was a rough count; I may have erred.) Without a doubt, there are notable artists that were removed in this edit, but (1) they're now in the infobox and (2) given the number of artists Harris has worked with, there really needs to be a cutoff or it just gets bloated. It was my hope to do this rationally, with a quantitative methodology, but I may have missed something on the qualitative side. Rivertorch (talk) 09:10, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Biased

Reading the section on Gram Parsons and Harris, I was amazed at how biased the phrasing was and I also noticed that there were no citations in this section. Can't any of this be backed up? Most curious is how the author seems to know what Harris is feeling. How is that possible? Perhaps she expressed herself somewhere in an interview? There are too many points here that scream for verification. According to the Wikipedia's assessment standards, this article shouldn't be a B-rated article. (This has nothing to do with my views about Harris or Parsons. I am just an average reader who was perusing it for pleasure while listening to her music.)Crtew (talk) 14:17, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

work with Bright Eyes

I realize that the list of collaborators at the beginning of the article was not intended to be a "laundry list", but she played a pretty significant role in I'm Wide Awake It's Morning and I think it deserves a nod in this list. Why, exactly, does the inclusion of Bright Eyes always get yanked? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.44.207.209 (talk) 07:08, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

The link Bright Eyes goes nowhere, so I will assume you are refering to Bright Eyes (band). The problem will be that if we include BE we have to include the next collaborator, and then other, and then other. We can't include every collaboration she has had in her 42-year musical career, just the notable ones, why the work they did is as notbale as Dolly Parton or Linda Ronstadt?. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 07:23, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Hear, hear. She is one of the most prolific musical collaborators around, and it makes things unmanageable if we don't be strict about this. I had a rationale in my head when I wrote the commented-out note and trimmed the list way back when—can't really remember exactly now, and am too full of pre-holiday cheer to bother much, but it seemed to me that at a bare minimum inclusion should require at least one of the following: (1) single that charted; (2) co-billing on an album; (3) appearance on multiple tracks on at least two albums; (4) multiple songwriting collaborations. Maybe we should codify this into an FAQ or something in the not-too-distant future. Rivertorch (talk) 20:45, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Another criterion that probably would suffice would be people who are past members of one of her bands and are über-notable in their own right (e.g., Rodney Crowell). In any event, the list looks too long for me now. Rivertorch (talk) 20:49, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Associated Acts

Emmylou Harris also did back up vocals with the Australian Band Midnight Oil on their 1996/7 Breathe album.Cambo70 (talk) 15:19, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Cameron Barnes

Thanks, but I trust you don't want that in the article. The artists with whom she has sung backup number in the three digits. Rivertorch (talk) 17:53, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Grammy Nomination Additions

Hello, Thanks to whoever put together the list of Grammy nominations and wins. I don't want to mess up that nice chart, so I'll ask someone who's more adept at editing cells to add the following seven Grammy nominations. There may be others, but I was able to locate these.

• 1977, Pop Female Vocal Performance, Here, There and Everywhere - *1988, Album of the Year, Trio (with Dolly Parton and Linda Ronstadt) - *1999, Contemporary Folk Album, Spyboy - *2001, Contemporary Folk Album, Western Wall: The Tuscon Sessions (with Linda Ronstadt) - *2004, Contemporary Folk Album, Stumble Into Grace - *2007, Contemporary Folk Album, All The Roadrunning (with Mark Knopfler) - *2008, Contemporary Folk Album, All I Intended To Be - Also, please correct dates: 1984 nomination for Last Date is correct, but win for In My Dreams was 1985 http://www.awardsandshows.com/features/grammy-awards-1985-233.html.

Thanks HollyAngel (talk) 22:07, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

I think I was able to make the corrections on the Grammy list. Thx. Madachmime (talk) 16:01, 13 February 2017 (UTC)