Talk:Emmental

Swiss, not German

Emmental Cheese not an German Cheese but belongin to Swiss category.Wrongly categorised as German origin.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.177.156.166 (talk • contribs) 17:05, 5 November 2006

Completion

I think it'd be a good idea to copy some of the information we gathered on Simple English Wikipedia, to this article too. huji—TALK 21:13, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Nonsense in article

"A bunch of yobs..."? I believe someone has pulled another prank on Wikipedia and posted nonsense! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.161.34.24 (talk) 17:27, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

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Requested move 4 October 2026

Emmental → Emmental (valley) – Emmental cheese is just as well-known and has more views. "Emmental" should be the title of the disambiguation page. ~2026-53267-40 (talk) 23:03, 4 October 2026 (UTC)

I don't see why this is necessary. The current titles are adequate natural disambiguation and WikiNav shows that less than 6% (102/1848) of all the people who end up at the valley article click through to the cheese article. Even so, the cheese article gets about five times as many pageviews, which suggests to me that people aren't having trouble finding it . This change would have 1746 make an extra click to find the valley article, while 102 people would still have to make one click to find the cheese article from your new disambiguation page. Toadspike [Talk] 08:19, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

@Toadspike If there is no primary topic (and this is the case), this article should be moved and a disambiguation page created. ~2026-53458-86 (talk) 08:50, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

This change would only serve to waste readers' time. Why do you believe wasting readers' time would improve the encyclopedia? What problem are you trying to solve? Toadspike [Talk] 15:19, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

@Toadspike see, for example, Asiago or Taleggio. This is provided for in WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. If there is no primary topic, a disambiguation page should be created. ~2026-53649-95 (talk) 16:58, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

This does nothing to address the argument that this move serves only to inconvenience our readers. I really do not care whether the rules allow for such a move or not; since you insist on ruleslawyering, the relevant policy is WP:NOTBURO. I am okay with moving the cheese to the base title, or leaving the valley at the base title, but I oppose a creation of a disambiguation page just for these two topics. Toadspike [Talk] 16:58, 6 October 2026 (UTC)

@Toadspike If neither is the primary topic, a disambiguation page is necessary. If one of them is, then it is not. In any case, both creating a disambiguation page or making the cheese the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC are reasonable solutions, but the valley is clearly not the primary topic, as demonstrated by the page views. Whatever is decided, a disambiguation page needs to be created at either Emmental or Emmental (disambiguation), since there is also Emmental (administrative district). ~2026-53689-65 (talk) 18:04, 6 October 2026 (UTC)

What is proposed here is the same as the situation for Cheddar so it is arguable. I'm not sure that it is necessary though. Anybody who comes here by mistake, looking for either the cheese or the administrative district, will see the note at the top and easily find what what they want. The question is whether there are enough other articles with "Emmental" in their name to justify a disambiguation page rather than expanding that note. I think I'm neutral on that. --DanielRigal (talk) 13:45, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

The opening sentence says that in English, it's Emme Valley. Does anyone call it that? I notice that's a red link. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 14:58, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

I definately oppose to this suggested move. The German word Tal is translated into English as valley. I agree, the opening sentence does say that in English, it's Emme Valley. So if the article were to be renamed it would become Emme Valley (valley) and this does not make any sence whatsoever. If it was to be renamed, we would have to rename, for example, Emmental cheese into Emme Valley (valley) cheese. Sorry, I have to stop now... and send greetings from Switzerland --Huligan0 (talk) 18:33, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

@Huligan0 Could you please explain this in more detail? "Emmental" is the title of the article, so "(valley)" would be the disambiguator used to distinguish it from Emmental cheese and Emmental (administrative district). I don't see any problem with this. ~2026-53463-00 (talk) 22:33, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

I think the comment is just saying that "Emmental (valley)" would be a bit like using Tennessee Whiskey (whiskey) to disamibiguate from Tennessee Whiskey (song) or Swanee River (river) to disambiguate from Swanee River (song) or Mont Blanc (mountain) to disambiguate from Montblanc (company). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 06:04, 6 October 2026 (UTC)

I don't think this is a problem in English, see List of tautological place names and we have used the qualifier Barnard Castle (castle) (though Barnard Castle (structure) might be better). Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:08, 6 October 2026 (UTC)

• Support the valley has 1,411 views and it's administrative district has 164 but the cheese has 9,032[] so even though the valley is the origianl meaning it seems best to have no primary topic also I don't really see a problem with the target in English similar to River Avon which means "River River". Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:49, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

No, no, stop, stop, please, please, my fellow wokipedians. Please stop and start again. Please don't compare apples with pears! There are avons all over this world. These avons could be organisations or people or places, either in America, Australia, Canada, France, UK or New Zealand or god knows where, yes all over the place. Yes indeed, there are rivers too, with the name Avon as well!

However, there is only one Emmental, a geographical valley in west-central Switzerland. There is also an Emmental (administrative district) which does not have the same geographical boarders, nor does it have the same municipalities. The Emmental has it's name because of the Emme (river) and this river flows in this valley. The administrative district has it's name (since the year 2010) because it lies partially inside this geographical area. There is also a cheese called Emmental cheese, and believe me or not, this has its name because it is produced within the geographical Emmental and not within the administrative district. I sincerely hope that I have described the situation in an appropriate manor and to your understanding. Please oppose to this suggested move, because a renaming would distort reality. I leave you with a friendy smile and send you greetngs from Switzerland --Huligan0 (talk) 23:46, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

@Huligan0 The fact that the cheese takes its name from the valley has absolutely nothing to do with determining the primary topic. See, for example, Gorgonzola, Brie, Asiago, Champagne, etc. ~2026-53558-55 (talk) 07:33, 6 October 2026 (UTC)