Talk:Emile Griffith

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Griffith did what no other man had done he killed a man on tv infront of millions and got away with it

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The death of Benny "The Kid" Paret, of course, was a very unfortunate occurrence that traumatized the boxing world as well as Emile Griffith. Nevertheless, it is also important for boxing historians and afixcionados to remember the career and accomplishments of Emile Griffith, a real winner, phenomenal champion, and great boxer. His career cannot be encapsulated by this event.

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All tedious and stupid - Emile fought most of his career without boxing people going on about his sexuality and the Paret tragedy - now people who only know him because of the recent documentary are 'experts' and moralists...

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"I keep thinking how strange it is: I kill a man and most people understand and forgive me. However, I love a man, and to so many people this is an unforgivable sin; this makes me an evil person. So though I never went to jail, I have been in prison all my life." - Emile Griffith

Hardly sounds the man himself thinks either subject is tedious and stupid. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.173.64.24 (talk) 18:04, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

How early was prior insult widely known?

   I recall someone talking about such an insult and boxing death, within a few years after (or before!) the date of that fight, so i would bet that SI covered the story including either the word "maricón" or a phrase like "Spanish gutter slang for homosexual" within a week following the event, and not first in '05.
--Jerzy•t 22:59, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

   A GoogleBooks search for

maricon griffith turnbuckle OR ropes

produced, inter alia,

1. a snippet from Newsweek - Volume 59, Issues 14-26 (issue and page not ID'd, but year of publication stated as "1962"), and
2. two lines from page 132 of TV Book - The Ultimate Television Book" by Judy Fireman, 1972, reading

(apparently as a heading giving the title and author of one selection included in the book)

"The Griffith-Paret Fight" and "David Trainer"

(tho not, without paying Google, what we want for refs), and someone's local libraries will have the complete items or microforms. Likewise

maricon griffith paret

produced 3 pages (pp. 54-6) of mostly text from Jet, Apr 19, 1962, including

Impartial sources have established that Paret called Griffith some unpleasant names, among them maricon, Spanish slang for a homosexual.

Perhaps none of these are adequate sources for what happened at weigh-in and fight, but they should suffice to establish as absurd the article's present insinuation that Griffiths' 2005 version broke completely new ground.

--Jerzy•t 01:49, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Joe Frank covered the fight in his NPR show (with some factual liberties taken in places) back in 1978 and included the substance of the accusation but not the slur itself. The story's general outlines appear to have been widely known in the boxing community long before 2005. 208.71.235.4 (talk) 16:48, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

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