Talk:Edo

Reversion of the move from Edo to Edo (Tokyo)

This page was moved on October 31 and a primary topic redirect was established from Edo to Edo period. While Edo period receives more page views than Edo, Edo alone normally refers to the city rather than the period. Page view analysis shows that less than 1% of the traffic to this page subsequently went to the applicable disambiguation page (EDO). Thus I have reverted the move under WP:RMUM. If you still feel that this page should be moved, please initiate a move request. If a request is made I would suggest using a title like Edo (city) rather than Edo (Tokyo), since we don't normally use alternate titles as disambiguators. Best, Dekimasuよ! 08:37, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 24 September 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: EDO moved to Edo (disambiguation), Edo not moved. ~ Jenson (SilverLocust 💬) 05:29, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

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• Edo → Edo (city)
• EDO → Edo

– No primary topic. This page gets ~18% of the pageviews (not including Benin City), Edo period as the highest gets ~60% (below the 2:1 ratio sometimes used). Edo (city) is likely the primary topic for that title, it can have a hatnote to Benin City. Kowal2701 (talk) 20:00, 24 September 2025 (UTC)}} — Relisting. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 03:00, 2 October 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPath^talk 12:05, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

• Comment Is the "Edo period" commonly referred to simply as "Edo"? If not, then the article is in the right place, although I do believe EDO should be moved to Edo (disambiguation). In my experience I have seen it called "Edo Japan", but I don't know about simply one word. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:04, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support per nom. There are numerous appreciable topics that get a fair share of pageviews for what is functionally a TLA here. The Edo people and Edo language are also equally important as historical topics. BD2412 T 21:07, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose the period is named after the city, and has the separate name of "Edo Period". As ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ mentioned, the period is rarely referred to simply as "Edo". Besides being the former name of Tokyo, I am not aware of any other significant use of the term "Edo". LivinAWestLife (talk) 00:58, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

  Edo people and Edo language, and the historical name/endonym for Benin City and the Kingdom of Benin, Edo state, more at the DAB page Kowal2701 (talk) 11:16, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

  Source for "Edo City" being a synonym for Benin City? I don't see it in the article. 162 etc. (talk) 01:17, 3 October 2025 (UTC)

  This journal article says Benin City (Edo, to give it its proper name), and this paper says Benin City is called Edo by its inhabitants and in certain contexts individuals from all parts of the kingdom will refer to themselves as ovbiedo (child of Edo). Kowal2701 (talk) 09:15, 3 October 2025 (UTC)

  Seems like this is at best an endonym. I don't believe Benin City should be considered amibiguous with "Edo". Edo State, Edo people, and Edo language, however, certainly count. 162 etc. (talk) 16:42, 3 October 2025 (UTC)

• comment i agree with ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ 'EDO' should be moved but 'Edo' is fine pointing to the city given that ~80% of traffic is looking for the historic term of which the city is the PT—blindlynx 17:12, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

Agree, it makes a difference. but the earlier one was better : Edo(Tokyo)

why arent u merging the both, they are obv same, so this would be ept as a redirect page and redirected to a section called history or such and all.... Anonymusbro (talk) 07:59, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

either merge with Tokyo, or Edo period. Is the different page necessary? Anonymusbro (talk) 08:00, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

• Comment Edo, Japan looks nicer to me than Edo (city).--Ortizesp (talk) 13:39, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

  Note that MOS:JPPLACE discourages the use of Foo, Japan; it asks us to use prefecture name, although in this case that doesn't work since Edo predates prefectures. 162 etc. (talk) 18:28, 12 October 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. "Edo (city)" does not disambiguate from Benin City. Srnec (talk) 22:29, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject East Asia, WikiProject Japan, and WikiProject Cities have been notified of this discussion. TarnishedPath^talk 12:05, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Benin City doesn't seem to be usually called "Edo city", and the Edo period is a PTM. Cremastra (talk · contribs) 17:38, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

AI-generated text discovered in this page

So, when I scanned the text on the page, I discovered a part where it is AI-generated, which is this:

These early projects laid the conceptual and physical groundwork for Edo's later transformation into a major political and urban center.

Development under the Second Shogun, Tokugawa Hidetada (1605–1623)

Under Tokugawa Hidetada, Edo's urban planning was expanded and systematized.[9] Key developments during his tenure included:[10]

Expansion of Edo Castle's administrative and residential compounds Systematic layout of streets, bridges, and residential quarters for samurai, townspeople (chōnin), and temple/shrine precincts Early water supply initiatives, including preliminary works that would later contribute to the Kanda and Tamagawa waterworks Continued reclamation and development of lowlands along the eastern riverbanks

Hidetada's efforts consolidated Edo's status as the shogunate's administrative center and improved the city's livability, particularly for samurai and townspeople alike.

Development under the Third Shogun, Tokugawa Iemitsu (1623–1651)

Tokugawa Iemitsu oversaw the most ambitious infrastructural developments to date, with large-scale urban engineering projects and water supply systems. Notable accomplishments included:

Construction of the Tamagawa Aqueduct (Tamagawa-jōsui, 玉川上水), completed in 1653, which transported water from the Tama River to Edo for drinking and firefighting purposes Expansion of the Kanda Aqueduct (Kanda-jōsui, 神田上水) to supply central districts, temples, and shrines Extensive canal and moat works connecting rivers and facilitating transport and flood control Further reclamation of coastal and marshland areas, enabling new districts to be established, particularly in the Shitamachi (下町) region Reinforcement and expansion of Edo Castle fortifications, as well as improved road access linking the castle to provincial routes

These projects under Iemitsu not only ensured reliable water supply and sanitation but also transformed Edo's topography into a structured, resilient urban landscape capable of supporting a rapidly growing population. By mid-17th century, Edo had become one of the largest and most systematically planned cities in the world, setting the stage for its peak population and urban complexity in the 18th century.[11]

So, I've just used a scanner to scan if the text is AI-generated or not, and no one did that, so I decided to do it by myself. ~2026-39124-0 (talk) 18:07, 18 January 2026 (UTC)

What was your methodology of scan software use? Did you use >1 software to doublecheck claim? Wiki-style syntax and narration is more prone to generate false positives. I'm not saying you're wrong, just your claim and methodology doesn't convince me. ~2026-30619-20 (talk) 05:30, 23 May 2026 (UTC)

I'm just a random guy passing by, so I acknowledge right away that my words will have very little weight, but I usually have a good eye for "style" of text and I agree with that other user that this text absolutely sets off LLM alarms in my head, although I didn't use any "scanner tool" software, it just popped out of the page for me immediately. The specific flow and structure of the sentences is very much how LLMs write and how humans typically don't write. It's not even academic-ish narrative style that's preferred on Wikipedia, it's very "flowery essay for high school" style sprinkled with LinkedIn-speak, with specific grammatical structures that I very often see in LLM-generated text. Especially the final paragraph ("These projects...") reads extremely LLM to me, what with all the "setting the stage for", "transformed Edo's topography into a structured, resilient urban landscape capable of...". It's classic weasel-y language in a very particular writing voice common for LLMs where they supposedly describe something but end up saying very little of anything specific. And higher up, the lists of accomplishments and the wording right before them is also how an LLM would summarize things (whereas a human would summarize them differently). ~2026-39418-70 (talk) 06:43, 13 July 2026 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. I found this section concerning:

"Ieyasu's initial urban vision and the transformation of an unformed settlement (1590–1603)

When Tokugawa Ieyasu first entered Edo in 1590, the area was not yet a town or city in any meaningful sense. What existed was a small fortified residence—commonly called “Edo Castle” (Edo-jō)—consisting of only a handful of (small) buildings standing on the edge of the Musashino Plateau. To the east of the residence stretched nothing but wetlands, tidal inlets, marshes, and patches of undeveloped wasteland. There was no urban district, no planned streets, and no concentrated population.

Recognizing the strategic potential of the site, Ieyasu immediately initiated surveys of the surrounding topography, focusing on the plateau, the Hibiya inlet（日比谷入り江）, and the low-lying marshland east of the "castle". These surveys formed the basis of his first deliberate urban plan. Under his direction, early engineering works began: preliminary modification of the Hibiya inlet, initial attempts to redirect the Hirakawa River, and the earliest stages of constructing outer moats and functional canals.

Although large-scale land reclamation and restructuring would accelerate only after Ieyasu's victory at the Battle of Sekigahara in 1600, the fundamental conceptual blueprint for transforming Edo from an undeveloped landscape into a governable urban center was already established during this period. This development was not spontaneous or natural—Edo's growth began as an intentional political and military project shaped directly by Ieyasu's vision and administrative control."

This piece of writing lacks any evidence or citations to back up its quite fabulous assertions, and has key hallmarks of LLM use such as em-dashes, over-reliance on the rule of threes, "not x but y" etc. I am concerned that this may not be an accurate account, and there is no way of checking because it contains no sources. Regardless of whether it is AI or not (I strongly believe it is), it isn't up to the standard of wikipedia articles. Duranduran52 (talk) 19:53, 19 July 2026 (UTC)

I went digging in the edit history, I think the edits by "Azuma Kyouichi Tan" are the source of the issue. This user added massive amounts of unsourced material across several edits. I think they should be reversed. Duranduran52 (talk) 20:12, 19 July 2026 (UTC)