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Latest comment: 10 months ago by ZamboniZoomer in topic Unsourced Original Research

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can anyone please confirm the ethymology of the word diwata? i'm not a linguist but i think its from the sanskrit devatta. and its not exclusively feminine. --Cloudhand 09:15, 11 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

I cannot cite a reference explicitly explaining this, or at least not on hand. But the connection between the two words is obvious to the point where it's really beyond question. The historical linkages between Sanskrit and the Southeast Asian languages is well documented. I once found a book in the Ayala Heritage Library which cited a link between the words Diwata and Deus -- explaining a likely connection in ancient times, and offering as additional evidence the physical movements of the mouth required to utter both words, which are exactly the same. One should not ignore the similarity of Devatta(Spirit) and Diwata(Spirit) to the Tagalog word Diwa(essence), and the Bahasa "Dewa(god/spirit)". Alternativity 04:20, 8 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

I'm not sure the Deities are properly categorized as Diwatas - thoughts on this, folks? Alternativity 17:49, 27 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

furthermore, what is that section in tagalog at the bottom, and is this Ace Phoenix a person of any significance? looks like original research folks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.131.133.142 (talk) 03:31, 6 September 2010 (UTC)Reply

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Latest comment: 10 months ago14 comments3 people in discussion

Per the manual of style and per no original research I've removed a large amount of stuff not needed on this page. To editors who may consider adding it back please seek consensus here before doing so. CoconutOctopus talk 16:17, 29 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

Hello there it seems like the word diwata has many meaning in Filipino languages since there are so many languages in the Philippines. As per dictionaries in Filipino lots of dictionaries say "fairy" but according to different sources the word diwata literally has many meaning depending on the ethnologist people who use them.
Diwata is a Filipino word for spirit or deity, used by many Indigenous groups in the Philippines. The term comes from the Sanskrit word "Deva" or "Devata", meaning "divine" or "celestial being."
The Philippines has hundreds of ethnic groups (like Tagalog, Visayan, Bagobo, Manobo, etc.).Each group used the word Diwata in their own way. Hei Coconut oct
would you like me to cite sources for this? so we can put more into disambiguation page? ZamboniZoomer (talk) 15:34, 7 August 2025 (UTC)Reply
hope we can settle this friendly, and help me out here. =) thanks in advance. ZamboniZoomer (talk) 15:35, 7 August 2025 (UTC)Reply
Hello there the term or word Diwata has many meanings in Filipino languages because it evolved over time from Sanskrit (devata) through Hindu and Buddhist influence, then merged with indigenous Filipino beliefs. Different regions and periods adapted it to mean gods, goddesses, nature spirits, fairies, or magical beings, so it now covers a broad range of supernatural entities.
If you read the fist article which is Anito the Nature spirits and deities sections reffers to the diwata as originating from ancient Hinduism fussed with animism of the Philippines it’s an ancient borrowed word that blended with local culture(of the Philippines), so its meaning expanded.
Diwata in Philippine mythology is a gender-neutral umbrella term for gods, goddesses, nature spirits, nymphs and fairies.
Diwata - Tagalog mythology is the old term for the Bathala the supreme deity[1][2][3][4]
Diwata - Modern Tagalog and Filipino term for fairies and nymphs[5][6]
Diwata - Devata or Diwata minor gods and goddesses and forest spirits in Hinduism where the word diwata originated from[7][8]
Diwata - a 'shiny', 'exalted', 'heavenly being', 'divine being', 'anything of excellence', and is also one of the Sanskrit terms used to indicate a deity in Hinduism[9][10]
Diwata - Relating to a concept within Hinduism that in Sanskrit literally means 'descent'. It signifies the material appearance or incarnation of a powerful deity, or spirit on Earth[11][12]
Diwata may also refer to:
  • "Diwata" (song), a song by Filipino rapper Abra featuring Chito Miranda
  • Diwata-1, a Philippine microsatellite launched to the International Space Station (ISS) on March 23, 2016
  • Diwata-2, a Philippinemicrosatellite launched on October 29, 2018
  • Diwata (entrepreneur) (born 1982), Filipino internet personality and stall owner
ZamboniZoomer (talk) 23:32, 25 August 2025 (UTC)Reply
You have once again added this content without consensus here to do so; it has now been reverted by two users including myself. Please do not add it back and please see MOS:DAB and stop treating this page like an article. CoconutOctopus talk 23:25, 31 August 2025 (UTC)Reply
Sorry if i added, i was waiting long time for your reply. i mean no disrespect
Hello there, word “Diwata” has so many meanings it sits at the crossroads of linguistic borrowing, cultural evolution, and syncretism in the Philippines. Its meanings shift depending on historical context, language, and usage. But the Question is should the disambiguation page cite sources ZamboniZoomer (talk) 23:28, 31 August 2025 (UTC)Reply
ok, so should i just simplify it ? like how should i do it? im literally asking for a helping hand here. ZamboniZoomer (talk) 23:29, 31 August 2025 (UTC)Reply
will it work if it did it like this, short and simple without references. The word “Diwata” comes from the Sanskrit word “Devata”, meaning deity, god, or divine being. It entered the Philippines long ago through Indian cultural and religious influence (via trade and Hindu-Buddhist contact in Southeast Asia) So “Diwata” is one root word, but each Philippine culture adapted it differently, which is why it has many meanings today.
Diwata in Philippine mythology is a gender-neutral umbrella term for gods, goddesses, nature spirits, nymphs and fairies.
Diwata - Tagalog mythology is the old term for the Bathala the supreme deity
Diwata - Modern Tagalog and Filipino term for fairies and nymphs
Diwata - Devata or Diwata minor gods and goddesses and forest spirits in Hinduism where the word diwata originated from
Diwata - a 'shiny', 'exalted', 'heavenly being', 'divine being', 'anything of excellence', and is also one of the Sanskrit terms used to indicate a deity in Hinduism
Diwata - Relating to a concept within Hinduism that in Sanskrit literally means 'descent'. It signifies the material appearance or incarnation of a powerful deity, or spirit on Eart ZamboniZoomer (talk) 23:34, 31 August 2025 (UTC)Reply
The only links should be to pages that use the term "diwata". Of the numerous pages you linked, only the page for Bathala mentions the word in any detail; it is mentioned once in a footnote at Devata and not at all at other articles. For the DAB page the link should be something along the lines of "Diwata may also refer to; [...] An alternate name for Bathala, a Tagalog supreme deity" or similar. CoconutOctopus talk 08:50, 1 September 2025 (UTC)Reply
as i said you should also check the references, in the first article anito
it says
"Spirits that have never been human are differentiated in some ethnic groups as diwata. These spirits can range from simple spirits like the diwata of a particular inanimate object, plant, animal, or place,[note 1] to deities who personify abstract concepts and natural phenomena,[note 2] to deities who are part of an actual pantheon.[note 3] They are also known as dewatu, divata, duwata, ruwata, dewa, dwata, diya, etc., in various Philippine languages (including Tagalog diwa, "spirit" or "essence"); all of which are derived from Sanskrit devata (देवता) or devá (देव), meaning "deity". These names are the result of syncretization with Hindu-Buddhist beliefs due to the indirect cultural exchange (via Srivijaya and Majapahit) between the Philippines and South Asia.[13][14]"
As for fairy, it may be modern but numerous Tagalog-English and Filipino english dictionary uses Diwata as the direct transliteration of Diwata. The word comes from Sanskrit “devata/deva” (deity), showing influence from Hindu-Buddhist cultures that reached the Philippines through trade.
In modern times, diwata is often translated as fairy, though its original meaning is much broader and deeper than the European idea of fairies.A diwata can be a spirit, nature deity, or god (and ofcourse) not just a fairy. These deities from Hinduism can be considered Diwata if we are to believe the Anito article (devata (देवता) or devá (देव),) ZamboniZoomer (talk) 19:28, 1 September 2025 (UTC)Reply
ok so i can put in the DAB page links but should be something along the lines of "Diwata may also refer to.. ? right. ZamboniZoomer (talk) 19:20, 13 September 2025 (UTC)Reply
We have to consider that the Philippines has many different languages, and its beliefs were shaped not only by Hindu-Buddhist ideas mixed with animism, but also by European colonial influences, especially from Spain. Unless of Couse you don't want to include The Spanish Influence in these talk, but that maybe would cancel out the views of majority Filipino people who actually live in the Philippines since their culture is very much influenced by Spain and other countries before it. In that case theres no use ill rest my case. Even if the word Diwata is very very inclusive can mean many things... from gods, to goddess to simple plant spirits and yes.. fairies too.

But then instead of me plastering Diwata into many things, Can i just add " See Also" down in the disambiguation page of Diwata the other articles. That would i think be a good compromise.

ZamboniZoomer (talk) 19:35, 1 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. ↑ Ghose, Rajeshwari. Saivism in Indonesia during the Hindu-Javanese period (Thesis). The University of Hong Kong Libraries.
  2. ↑ "Natural History of Man". Scientific American. 5 (29): 229–229. 1850-04-06. doi:10.1038/scientificamerican04061850-229d. ISSN 0036-8733.
  3. ↑ KNOX, ISRAEL (1950). "Philosophy". Journal of the American Academy of Religion. XVIII (4): 242–243. doi:10.1093/jaarel/xviii.4.242. ISSN 0002-7189.
  4. ↑ Jocano, F. Landa (1967-03-31). "The Beginnings of Filipino Society and Culture". Philippine Studies: Historical and Ethnographic Viewpoints. 15 (1). doi:10.13185/2244-1638.2332. ISSN 2244-1638.
  5. ↑ Perdon, Renato (2012). Pocket Tagalog Dictionary: Tagalog-English/English-Tagalog. Singapore: Tuttle Publishing. ISBN 978-1-4629-0983-4.
  6. ↑ Tuttle Concise Tagalog Dictionary. Tokyo; Rutland, VT: Tuttle Publishing. 2017. ISBN 9780804839143.
  7. ↑ Scott, William Henry (2004). Barangay: sixteenth century Philippine culture and society (5. pr ed.). Manila: Ateneo de Manila Univ. Pr. ISBN 978-971-550-135-4.
  8. ↑ "Wayback Machine" (PDF). www.asj.upd.edu.ph. Archived from the original (PDF) on 2018-07-07. Retrieved 2025-08-25. {{cite web}}: Cite uses generic title (help)
  9. ↑ Scott, William Henry (1994). Barangay: sixteenth-century Philippine culture and society. Quezon City, Manila, Philippines: Ateneo de Manila University Press. ISBN 978-971-550-135-4.
  10. ↑ Encyclopaedia Britannica - Deva
  11. ↑ Scott, William Henry (2004). Barangay: sixteenth century Philippine culture and society (5. pr ed.). Manila: Ateneo de Manila Univ. Pr. ISBN 978-971-550-135-4.
  12. ↑ Geoffrey Parrinder (1997). Avatar and Incarnation: The Divine in Human Form in the World's Religions. Oneworld. pp. 19–20. ISBN 978-1-85168-130-3.
  13. ↑ Cite error: The named reference Scott1994 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  14. ↑ Cite error: The named reference hislop was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
Coconut Octopus kinda already gave me an answer But then instead of me plastering Diwata into many things, Can i just add " See Also" down in the disambiguation page of Diwata the other articles. That would i think be a good compromise.
as to quote coconut octo For the DAB page the link should be something along the lines of "Diwata may also refer to; [...] An alternate name for Bathala, a Tagalog supreme deity" or similar. ZamboniZoomer (talk) 19:23, 13 September 2025 (UTC)Reply
  1. ↑ e.g. Nuno sa punso, a dwarf-like anito that lives in anthills; and Dayang Masalanta, the Tagalog diwata of Mount Makiling
  2. ↑ e.g. Mayari, the Tagalog goddess of the moon; Barangaw, the Visayan god of rainbows; and Makapatag, the Visayan god of vengeance
  3. ↑ e.g. Bathala, the chief deity of the Tagalogs; Magbabaya, the supreme creator of the Lumad people; and Pilandok, trickster spirit of the Maranao
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