Talk:Digital Automated Identification System

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Requested move 27 October 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: consensus to move the pages to Digital Automated Identification System and Digital Accessible Information System at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 04:27, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

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• Digital Automated Identification SYstem (DAISY) → Digital automated identification systemDigital automated identification system
• DAISY → Digital accessible information systemDigital accessible information system

– First of all, AFAIK, Wikipedia never uses article titles that both explain an abbreviation and also redundantly display the abbreviation itself in parentheses the way this one is doing – we should pick just one form or the other. Second, the use of two capital letters in "SYstem" in this title is contrary to MOS:TM's instruction to follow ordinary English styling and sentence case. Wikipedia doesn't use capital letters in its titles just to illustrate how to abbreviate something; sentence case is preferred. And thirdly, are we really confident that yesterday's primary topic move of DAISY Digital Talking BookDAISY Digital Talking Book to DAISYDAISY is appropriate? Is it really a proper primary topic for "DAISY"? —BarrelProof (talk) 07:14, 27 October 2019 (UTC) —Relisting.  — Amakuru (talk) 00:07, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Original close, which was overturned and relisted following a move review

The result of the move request was: Moved. Despite poor consensus, it seems clear that MOS:TM is being violated here. Assistance with the merge would be appreciated. (non-admin closure) comrade waddie96 ★ (talk) 17:49, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

• It looks like both are usually known as "DAISY" - possibly use this with disambiguation added. If the longer names are used, they should be in title case, as they are names of a specific system and a specific standard. Peter James (talk) 10:55, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
• Relisting comment - there was a move review at Wikipedia:Move_review/Log/2019_November, and consensus was to overturn and relist, as discussion was ongoing. Barrelproof, Peter James, plus any other interested parties, please discuss the issues around the two titles, and come up with a consensus agreement about the best way forward. The two articles have been restored to their long-term stable titles in the meatntime. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 00:07, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
• I don't object to moving them to Digital Automated Identification System and Digital Accessible Information System, on the basis of the assertion by Peter James that they are proper names. I also do not object to using something like DAISY (species identification) or DAISY (publication format) / DAISY (technical standard) / DAISY (talking book format), if the abbreviation is more recognizable than the spelled-out name in one or both cases. These issues are not what I was complaining about when I proposed the moves. I'm glad to see the discussion reopened, since I wasn't very confident of the outcome myself. —BarrelProof (talk) 01:56, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
• I'm a completely disinterested party, but presumably I am also welcome to comment. Four points (largely agreeing with BarrelProof):
  • WP:AT#Avoid ambiguous abbreviations is quite clear: "It is also unnecessary to include an acronym in addition to the name in a title".
  • In the expansion of the acronym, each word should have an initial capital per WP:NCCAPS. (This also applies in the running text, not just the title.) There are lots of digital automated identification systems, but only one Digital Automated Identification System.
  • If there's ambiguity in what DAISY means, then place the articles at the expanded titles per WP:NATURALDIS, and use the DAB at DAISY (or Daisy) to disambiguate. (Currently the first redirects to the second.)
  • The proposed disambiguators "DAISY (technical standard)" and so on may be useful as redirects. I can imagine they are in fact backronyms: for if not, the talking book format could have memorably be called "DAIS", since a dais is a platform supporting a book...
• 85.238.91.41 (talk) 05:01, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Of course you're "welcome to comment"! I'm glad you're here. "DAIS" is an interesting idea, but maybe they didn't think of it. —BarrelProof (talk) 06:00, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
• Support per BarrelProof: move the one about the talkng book (was Digital accessible information system, now DAISY Digital Talking Book) to Digital Accessible Information System, and move the one about the species id system (Digital Automated Identification SYstem (DAISY)) to Digital Automated Identification System, and change the entries at disambiguation page Daisy. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:49, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Proposed merge with DAISY

See discussion at Special:Permalink/924742465 comrade waddie96 ★ (talk) 17:51, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

@Waddie96: I'm not sure what you're trying to do here. DAISY is now a redirect to the disambiguation page Daisy. Digital automated identification system and Digital accessible information system are two completely different things. There no pages to merge. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:51, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Right, merge withdrawn. comrade waddie96 ★ (talk) 08:55, 10 November 2019 (UTC)