Talk:Devin Stone

COI

@Robert McClenon: Hi! Best regards. When you ask about the author of the draft, to which do you refer to? User @Vladthelad123: created an article under the title "LegalEagle" back in October, of which I was unaware of until my version, started in January. Personally, I don't have financial or any other connection with the subject of the draft. I'm aware of the WP:COI policy and I'm a long standing editor that has edited about several other unrelated topics.

I'll look forward to any possible recommendations or improvements that I can do to the article. Many thanks in advance! --NoonIcarus (talk) 23:03, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Resubmission

I have removed the unsourced section, added another reference and expanded the infobox. All but one of the references are independent sources, meaning that the article meets WP:GNG. If possible, I believe that the draft should be accepted for this reason. --NoonIcarus (talk) 11:32, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Article with not reliable sources

Seems like this article contains multiple unreliable, and primary sources, with others being mere trivial mentions. It's probably not going to be accepted until the article contains better sources, and it seems unlikely it will be accepted anyways based on the notability. This YouTuber only has about 2 million subscribers, and many channels with more subscribers do not have an article on Wikipedia. This article also is not necessarily in neutral point of view, and appears it was almost certainly written by a fan of this channel. Try checking out: Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:Notability, and Wikipedia:Neutral Point of View. Thanks, Clearfrienda ^💬 17:03, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

More on YouTube career?

I feel like this article should have more information about Stone's YouTube channel, since he seems to be at least as well-known for that as for his law career (all of his social media identifies him as LegalEagle, his law practice site mentions the channel in his bio, the vast majority of articles on him at least mention the LegalEagle name; it's pretty clearly how the general public best knows him). The article as is briefly mentions the channel and otherwise entirely focuses on his law career. I feel like we could easily include at least some rudimentary info about the channel (when it started, the type of content he makes, notable videos, any metrics that have been made public) like every other article about a YouTuber does.

(Before anyone cites WP:SODOIT, I already have a bunch of other articles I'm working on, plus I'm not that familiar with the guy's channel outside of a couple videos so I wouldn't know where to start.) Invisiboy42293 (talk) 20:04, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

"Internet celebrity" as an occupation in the infobox

@Ahunt: I don't quite get why "Internet celebrity" is listed in the infobox. It's already assumed that most YouTubers fall into this category, and none of the examples at {{Infobox YouTube personality}} include it, even if the subject is known for their online presence. Yeeno (talk) 02:00, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

That is what he is predominately known for. If he was "just a lawyer" we would not even have an article on him, as he would not be notable. - Ahunt (talk) 02:02, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 26 November 2022

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The result of the move request was: Moved to LegalEagle (YouTuber). As the move outcome that has by far the least opposition. The finding that we should use his WP:COMMONNAME has gone virtually unchallenged, but "LegalEagle" was not found to be distinguishable enough to avoid ambiguity. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 07:40, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

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Devin Stone → LegalEagleLegalEagle or LegalEagle (YouTuber)LegalEagle (YouTuber) – While Devin Stone is his real name, he is only really WP:NOTABLE for his YouTube channel. All the secondary sources on this article refer to him at least once as "Legal Eagle" and doesn't even refer to him as "Devin Stone". Illuminati42 (talk) 01:38, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

• Comment: Unfortunately, "Legal Eagle" / "LegalEagle" does not seem very unambiguous, and those terms redirect to a disambiguation page. Many people have been called "legal eagles". The omission of a space in the term doesn't seem like it really takes care of it. Some references to this topic include the space. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 02:20, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
  • But the omission of a space in the proposed title does provide somewhat of a distinction. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:28, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose - as stated above it is not a definitive term for this one person. It has been used for many other people and things as outlined at Legal Eagle. I would argue that aircraft, film or TV series would be much more likely to be the primary topic than this person. - Ahunt (talk) 03:47, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

  I understand, but to me it seems that someone who heard about LegalEagle, the YouTuber, is much more likely to search for (and expect) a Wikipedia article titled LegalEagle. I think that "Devin Stone" is not recognisable enough to be the title for this article. In my mind, the lack of space in "LegalEagle" is unambiguous enough, but if necessary, we can always add a Template:About specifying that this is the legal YouTuber. As a last resort, we can always add parenthetical disambiguation. Illuminati42 (talk) 21:48, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Well if you wanted to move it to LegalEagle (YouTuber) I think that would be fine. - Ahunt (talk) 21:55, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support alternative suggestion of LegalEagle (YouTuber) since while there is no evidence that is the primary topic it appears evident that this is far more likely a search term than his real name.--65.92.162.81 (talk) 23:26, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
• Move to LegalEagle (YouTuber) per WP:COMMONNAME. He is not notable under his legal name. Shwcz (talk) 09:13, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support either LegalEagle (YouTuber) or LegalEagle (no space) per WP:COMMONNAME. DecafPotato (talk) 00:23, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. LegalEagle (YouTube channel) already exists and redirects here. Anybody typing "LegalEagle" or "Legal Eagle" into the search box will either click on that, when the auto-completion offers it, or else end up at the disambiguation page where Stone is listed along with all the other uses of the term. I don't see what problem we are trying to solve here. We risk making it harder for people looking for the other uses of "LegalEagle" or "Legal Eagle" while barely making it any easier to find Stone. It only saves the reader one click at best. Another advantage of keeping the current name is that it puts us in a better position should he ever become more notable for any of his other activities. --DanielRigal (talk) 00:52, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

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Deprodding

I've taken PROD off although I do agree that this could be better sourced. I think there are sources out there. Just using the links at the top of this page I find quite a bit in Google News, Books and Scholar. Not huge amounts but probably enough. Of course, I can't blame anybody for putting PROD on it if there are good sources but we aren't using them. Here are a few:

• https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Soft_Skills_for_the_Professional_Service/jcp6EAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22LegalEagle%22+YouTuber+-wikipedia&pg=PA106&printsec=frontcover
• https://boingboing.net/2022/12/06/legaleagles-35-minute-tear-down-of-established-titles-is-excellent.html
• https://www.law360.com/articles/1362390
• https://ktemnews.com/legaleagle-youtube-lawyer-explains-2019-supreme-court-rulings/
• https://www.joe.ie/movies-tv/always-sunny-bird-law-647666
• https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/siulj45&div=21&id=&page=
• https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/studlyr51&div=11&id=&page=

I'm not sure that all of it is good. Some of it is paywalled. I think it should be enough to justify holding off on deletion though. DanielRigal (talk) 03:51, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 19 September 2023

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 14:51, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

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LegalEagle (YouTuber) → LegalEagleLegalEagle – LegalEagle is not really a plausible construction of Legal Eagles (film), Legal Eagles (TV series) or Milholland Legal Eagle. A hatnote to Legal Eagle can take care of ambiguity. Schierbecker (talk) 17:16, 19 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 18:06, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support per WP:SMALLDETAILS. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:26, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose usage fails to meet WP:SMALLDETAILS. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:48, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
• support per "i've never actually heard of any of the others, and i really don't think anyone could reasonably get them mixed" cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 11:19, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Good use case of WP:SMALLDETAILS in my opinion. I don't think any reasonable reader could be searching for any of the other options when specifically typing "LegalEagle". Jenks24 (talk) 13:18, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: relisting for a week more for more participation, given that the current consensus flies in contrary to the previous closure. – robertsky (talk) 18:06, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support This definitely tracks. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:33, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Well within WP:SMALLDETAILS. Nardog (talk) 07:24, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

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Birthyear

Birthyear almost certainly 1983. Here he starts talking about his recent birthday being 'the big one'.

youtu.be => OQdD94evetA?si=-w4nOWphNzYBPrSp&t=1124

Meaning very likely he turned 40 in December. Pokerface (talk) 08:38, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

That might well be correct but we can't be sure and we can't use it without falling foul of WP:SYNTH. It is not clear that 'the big one' always refers to 40. DanielRigal (talk) 13:16, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

The California Birth Index shows Devin James Stone was born on December 16, 1983 in Solano County: devin_james_stone_born_1983_16088676 2600:381:CBF1:FCC6:44D0:3E05:21D9:2014 (talk) 08:16, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

Requested move 6 December 2025

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) ASUKITE 14:10, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

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LegalEagle → Devin Stone – In the last few months Devin Stone has expanded his channel to include three additional co-hosts and he isn't the sole YouTuber/on-camera host on the LegalEagle channel. Proposing this page be renamed to differentiate the person from the channel's name. Shivertimbers433 (talk) 03:53, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

Would it not make more sense to make this article about the channel and all the people on it? --DanielRigal (talk) 04:37, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

Comment: The rationale seems like a proposal for an article fork. It might be procedurally better to first create an article entitled LegalEagle (YouTube channel)LegalEagle (YouTube channel) and then start moving things to different titles. If there is only one article, the current title seems OK. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 14:59, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

I think this page should remain what it is, a biography of Stone, whereas a separate article could be made about the channel. This is essentially what was done with Linus Sebastian and Linus Tech Tips. -Shivertimbers433 (talk) 21:04, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

Support – I agree with nom that the YouTuber and his channel have become distinct and that he is not exclusively known by his YouTube channel name. Some examples include this Wired article which is written as LegalEagle's Devin Stone. cookiemonster755 ^(talk) 10:02, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

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