Talk:Destiel

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The deletion request in 2013 was the result of a plagiarizing page. The top plainly is notable enough now, years later, with 29 reliable sources covering the topic since 2014 and up until even now. I've drafted the article at Draft:Destiel as it fully meets notability guidelines, but I could not publish it due to the existence of this redirect. I formally propose deleting this redirect and moving the draft article into this namespace. Jessica3801 (talk) 23:13, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Academic sources

Did a quick skim through google scholar, a few sources:

• Hardikar, Maja (2022). "Fake People Kissing: Queerbaiting and Fan Agency". Gnovis. 22 (1). doi:10.57928/VV9C-G757. Gnovis is a "an academic platform run by students in the Communication, Culture & Technology program that publishes graduate student research on technology and society". On one hand, peer reviewed, on the other hand, student-run? Not sure where on the blog-academic journal spectrum I feel comfortable putting this.
• Harrisson, Juliette Grace (2016-03-15). "Shipping in Plato's "Symposium"". Transformative Works and Cultures. 21. doi:10.3983/twc.2016.0690. ISSN 1941-2258. Comparison between Destiel and Achilles/Patroclus
• McDermott, Michael (2018-06-01). "The contest of queerbaiting: Negotiating authenticity in fan–creator interactions". Journal of Fandom Studies, The. 6 (2): 133–144. doi:10.1386/jfs.6.2.133_1. ISSN 2046-6692.
• ""Destiel Is Forever": Negotiating Authenticity in the CW's Supernatural Family and Beyond - ProQuest". www.proquest.com. Retrieved 2025-04-18. PhD thesis
• Hinck, Ashley; Hardin, Carolyn (2023-12-01). "Civic culture in the Supernatural fandom: Misha Collins, Destiel, and the 2020 US presidential election". Convergence. 29 (6): 1486–1501. doi:10.1177/13548565231174585. ISSN 1354-8565. mostly about Collins' political activity but I'm sure there's some fun stuff in there about the election memes
• Brennan, Joseph (2017-04-03). "'Jensen Ackles is a (homophobic) douchebag': the 'politics of slash' in debates on a TV star's homophobia". Celebrity Studies. 8 (2): 246–261. doi:10.1080/19392397.2016.1249897. ISSN 1939-2397.
• Budaj, Allison Christina; Anderson-Lopez, Jonina (2025-02-24). Holding Television Accountable: Essays on Audience Demands in the Social Media Age. McFarland. ISBN 978-1-4766-5449-2. (has a chapter on Supernatural)
• Zubernis, Lynn (2021). "The SPNFamily: Supernatural and the Fandom Like No Other". Monstrum. 3 (2): 51–65. doi:10.7202/1102497ar. ISSN 2561-5629.

Rusalkii (talk) 21:11, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

Found a reference to superhell , couldn't figure out a good way to incorporate it. Rusalkii (talk) 22:46, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by DimensionalFusion talk 18:44, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

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• ... that Olive Garden and Chili's once got in a shipping war?

• Source: https://www.themarysue.com/chilis-supernatural-destiel-inferior-ship-tweet-bucktommy/

• ALT1: ... that Jensen Ackles pretended not to know about Destiel?

• Source: "I'm gonna pretend like I don't know what the question was"
• https://www.tvguide.com/news/supernatural-queerbaiting-destiel-1089286/

• ALT2: ... that Destiel shippers exist in the Supernatural universe?

• Source: https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/supernatural-episode-200-fan-fiction-takes-on-fangirls/

• Reviewed:

Created by Jessica3801 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Jessica3801 (talk) 17:41, 21 April 2025 (UTC).

• Comment ALT0 is probably the most interesting, but I'm about 60% sure the WP article needs to also refer to the spat as a shipping war for the hook to run. Also, shipping wars is a pretty niche term that might be worth a wikilink, so perhaps: ALT3: ... that Olive Garden and Chili's got in a ship war over Destiel? Based5290 :3 (talk) 18:55, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Comment I like that rewording of ALT0. -Jessica3801 (talk) 04:53, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Approve ALT3.

For some reason I thought this was a GA, and it isn't, though it is quite long. So I put together a list of nits that would be nice to fix. They are not necessary to fix for the DYK, but I thought as long as I put them together I may as well leave them somewhere. At least do fix the words-that-are-not-words, please?

• "occasionally referred to as Deancas,[1] and as CasDean within the series itself" - the WP:LEAD is supposed to be a summary of the article, and these alternate names are not given elsewhere in the article body. Please give and cite.
• "Supernatural debuted in 2005" - How about a brief intro - "The television series Supernatural debuted..." or even "The American television series Supernatural..." - otherwise the article doesn't explain what Supernatural is.
• "From this episode, people began to want the two characters to become romantically involved with each other." "People" is vague, the citations say "fans"; maybe we can say that? Or "shippers"? Also the first of the three citations doesn't really mention "this episode" ("Lazarus Rising").
• " At the event, Collins answered the question “Is Castiel in love with Dean?”." - and ...? How did he answer it? Kind of important.
• "This created controversy..." "This led to criticism" - the controversy led to criticism?
• "...ChiCon, a fan was allegedly banned from the convention as a safety threat" - source says she was banned, and the convention confirmed, so it's not "allegedly". Did you mean "allegedly as a safety threat"?
• "He later returned Twitter" - "to Twitter"?
• "In 2014, Olive Garden posted about Dean and Sam's preferences." Specify that it's a restaurant, not a person, same with Chili's. Also what kind of "preferences" were meant? Sexual or food or something else?
• "When asked about Castiel, Olive Garden replied that he would eat anything from Dean's plate, which was interpreted by fans to be in reference to Castiel." - Well, yeah, when asked about Castiel, they answered about Castiel, that's kind of expected, and does not need to be specified. Or did you mean "in reference to Destiel"?
• "grudging [sic] respect" - doesn't need [sic], it's an established idiom
• throughout: generally put the commas and periods outside the quotes, not inside, per MOS:LOGICAL
• "encouraging queer readings of the serious" - what?
• "character's death[9][22][23][24] which also stopped Death from killing Dean.[1][4][5][25][26][27]" - wow, that's a lot of references for one sentence. Do we really need more than, say, two or three at each of those points? Can we pick the best ones?
• "His final words were wishing Dean goodbye, which The Mary Sue said was significant as they identified "Hello Dean" as Castiel's catchphrase." - don't you want "Goodbye Dean" here, to make the parallel clear?
• There is inconsistency between the tenses used to describe this episode, "Despair". "Castiel admits" - present tense. "stopped Death", "left a handprint","final words were", "was then brought" - past tense. "Dean responds" - present tense. In general we use present, see MOS:TENSE and MOS:FICTENSE, and this article uses it in describing "Fan Fiction"
• " written by gay man, Robert Berens, who " - Ew - "written by gay man"? How about "written by Robert Berens, a gay man, who..."
• "series' creators, ehilr suggesting" - what?
• "Fan Fiction's" perceived dismissal - logical quotes would be "Fan Fiction"'s
• " they claimed that the writers were encouraging queer readings of the series and the consistent denial that the story lines exists from creators of the series" - I don't understand that. Did you mean "encouraging queer readings of the series despite the consistent denial..."? And there is a pluralization conflict in "lines exists".
• "killing queer characters once they are able to be happy.[3][4][5][9][23][24][26][17]" - again, what a lot of citations. Can we pick the best - oh - maybe - three?
• " it was still a major success that the series had managed to bring the relationship into the series' canon in its long run and significant use of subtext" - they said use of subtext was a major success?
• "the fans which were blaming The CW, the network on which Supernatural aired, was unhelpful" - the fans was unhelpful? the blaming was unhelpful? The CW was unhelpful? Needs rephrasing for clarity.
• "reports Vladimir Putin was planning to resign" - please specify that he was the Russian president, and that he did not, in fact, resign. GRuban (talk) 15:59, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

My understanding of MOS:ALTNAME is that as long as there are less than three alternative names, there doesn't need to be further elaboration in the body of the article. I don't think there's a source elaborating on the etymology of any of the ship names, so there wouldn't really be a good place in the body for the alt names. Based5290 :3 (talk) 08:14, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

• Significant enough copyediting issues identified that the article should be worked on. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:46, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

I'm not the nominator, but I've done a round of copyedits which address some of the concern above as well as some other issues (mostly for concision, in a few cases removed information I thought was poorly supported by the citations or excessively detailed). Rusalkii (talk) 19:35, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

@AirshipJungleman29: Given those edits, will you OK the DYK? And acknowledgement and gratitude to the beautiful but dangerous water spirit: признательность! --GRuban (talk) 13:24, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

@AirshipJungleman29:? --GRuban (talk) 19:00, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:52, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

@Lijil and @LSkains

Is this part of electronic literature? It was flagged and characterized that way? I am not sure which works would be considered in that category here? Thanks!LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 21:25, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

@LoveElectronicLiterature I suspect this was mixup between the definition of electronic literature as "literature which is primarily online" and the one used by the wikiproject. I've removed the tag for now. Rusalkii (talk) 19:05, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. Electronic literature is defined as text that qualifies as literature (subjective, but we use citations from someone calling the work "literature") that requires additional elements (game, navigation, sound, imagery, navigation) to be fully understood. WP:ELIT. LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 19:16, 9 July 2025 (UTC)