Talk:Deborah (Genesis)

Requested move 17 November 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 21:41, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

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• Deborah (Genesis) → Deborah (Genesis figure)
• Naamah (Genesis) → Naamah (Genesis figure)
• Tamar (Genesis) → Tamar (Genesis figure)

– This three-entry nomination is a follow-up to the currently-active Talk:Joseph (Genesis)#Requested move 6 November 2023. Among the entries listed under Category:Book of Genesis people, several use the parenthetical qualifier "(biblical figure)" while four — Deborah (Genesis), Joseph (Genesis), Naamah (Genesis) and Tamar (Genesis) — use "(Genesis)". Since "(biblical figure)" would represent incomplete disambiguation for all four entries — see same-named primary topic Deborah as well as Saint Joseph, Naamah (wife of Solomon) and Tamar (daughter of David) — "(Genesis)" can be expanded to the more-intuitive "(Genesis figure)" or each of the three nominated figures can be disambiguated via more-specific qualifiers, such as Deborah (nurse of Rebecca), Naamah (descendant of Cain) or Tamar (daughter-in-law of Judah). — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 21:38, 17 November 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Jenks24 (talk) 02:19, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose all. We often use "biblical figure" to disambiguate, but "biblical" is an adjective - we don't use "Bible figure". Here, "Genesis" is a noun - I don't think there is an adjective relating to "Genesis". (Though "Pentateuchal" is common enough). StAnselm (talk) 22:19, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Would the alternative proposals be preferable: Deborah (Genesis) → Deborah (nurse of Rebecca) for the first one, Naamah (Genesis) → Naamah (descendant of Cain) for the second one and Tamar (Genesis) → Tamar (daughter-in-law of Judah) for the third one? If those still sound deficient, but more intuitive biblical relationships come to mind so as to serve in place of the proposed parenthetical qualifiers, I would be certainly disposed to support any such replacement forms. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 02:27, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

I personally have no problem with "Genesis" as a disambiguator, and am inclined to keep them all the same for reasons of consistency (though I realize that most characters in Genesis do not have this disambiguator). StAnselm (talk) 02:58, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

In Wikipedia's earlier years, it was commonplace to see parenthetical qualifiers such as "(Alabama)" or "(Montana)", but those qualifiers were subsequently moved to "(Alabama politician)" or "(Montana settler)", with the edit summary positing that the individual in question was "not an Alabama" or "was not a "Montana". I will leave it to consensus (WP:LOCALCONSENSUS ?) for a determination whether one can be described as "a Genesis" or whether the qualifier form "(Montana settler)" can be analogous to the qualifier form "(Genesis figure)". —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 04:45, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

I think "Name (Book)" is not as bad as "Name (Place)", since the relation between the person and the disambiguator is clearer. Is "Politician (Alabama)" a politician born in Alabama, raised in Alabama, elected in Alabama or serving in Alabama? Srnec (talk) 16:02, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

• Weak oppose. I don't see a real problem with the current titles here. As noted by Srnec, there are a lot of articles with titles in the format of "Name (BookName)", "Name (TVshowName)", "Name (VideoGameName)", so I don't really see a problem here. More broadly, "Name (context)" is common, as in "Name (basketball)", for example. What is the problem with the current titles? —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 05:24, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Not sure what "Genesis" it would be referring to, if not the Bible. The Sega Genesis? ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:20, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.