Talk:Death Battle

Sources

Source 1 to 7 and source 10 and 16 isn't reliable. The problem is that they seem to contain many information about this draft. Please provide reliable sources. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 11:42, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy pinging @Di (they-them) Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 11:45, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

I think that the majority of the sources cited on the page are reliable. I know for a fact that sources 1 through 7 aren't all unreliable because I checked some of them on the perennial sources list and the WikiProject Video games source list. Di (they-them) (talk) 07:04, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

@Di (they-them): I've marked it as a reviewed because I do see significant coverage in RS. SafariScribe is right about unreliable sources, though. Source 3 (Substack) is user-generated content and thus unreliable but cited 5 times in the article. Source 8 (Sportskeeda) (WP:SPORTSKEEDA) and https://vocal.media/geeks/versus-sites-and-battle-boards is more user-generated content that should not be used. www.theouterhaven.net and www.pluggedin.com are not listed anywhere but look like blogs. https://www.gameindustry.com/news-industry-happenings/rooster-teeth-releases-new-death-battle-tabletop-card-and-dice-game/ is definitely a blog. Please take some time to replace these sources with better ones. Thanks. C F A 💬 15:02, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Sources (continued)

All future episodes must be sourced. Real-world releases are real-world events, and not fictional, therefore not including a source for a future episode violates WP:V and WP:CRYSTAL. When called upon, a source must be provided for anything that is disputed. -- Alex_21 _TALK 03:10, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

I agree that the release date of future episodes should be sourced (or left out), but I don't think the matchups of the episodes themselves need to be sourced since they are revealed at the end of each episode. The entire list is implied to be cited to the episodes themselves, which are primary sources. I think that this is the same logic as MOS:PLOTCITE, where a citation isn't necessary because readers understand that the primary source is the media itself. ArtemisiaGentileschiFan (talk) 11:23, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

That would be WP:PRIMARYSOURCE, not WP:PLOTCITE. I accept that past episodes don't require a source, as the episodes act as sources for themselves. I'm glad to see the removal of the unsourced date; I'd be curious as to where it originally came from. -- Alex_21 _TALK 20:16, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

@ArtemisiaGentileschiFan Kindly, one more, review this discussion. Future episodes must be sourced. WP:CRYSTAL supercedes the above essays. -- Alex_21 _TALK 00:58, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

@Alex 21: WP:CRYSTAL does not apply here. The end of every episode announces what the subsequent episode will be, that is a part of the episode. A citation is not needed for this basic information because it is, like all other aspects of an episode, in this episode itself. WP:CRYSTAL is specifically about unverifiable speculation, not confirmed future episodes. ArtemisiaGentileschiFan (talk) 01:00, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

CRYSTAL concerns individual scheduled or expected future events. That includes confirmed future episodes, which, per another site core policy WP:BURDEN, the burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution. If you disagree that future releases must be sourced, you can take it up at the proper community talk page, such as WT:BURDEN or WT:TV, and gather a consensus for that there. Until then - site policy applies. -- Alex_21 _TALK 01:12, 30 March 2025 (UTC)