Talk:Daisy Chain Fields

Sorting of line-up

It seems weird to use surnames to alphabetize when some of the "surnames" are part of a stage name (e.g. Chappell Roan) and a good chunk of the names are one-word stage names (e.g. Eli) and band names (e.g. Garbage, Katseye). And what about Quiet Light, which you've treated alphabetized with Q instead of L? That's a single person. Sure, it doesn't "sound" like a real name, but then where do we draw the line, especially considering that Light is a real surname? @Pamzeis (talk · contribs) ~2026-32492-01 (talk) 13:52, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

The ordering is consistent with MOS:LISTSORT, which says for people it should be ordered by last name first, and other articles (e.g. List of American musicians of Irish descent and Lilith Fair). I didn't notice Quiet Light, as I thought they were a band, but I went the DEFAULTSORT as a general rule. As for stage names, the surnames of the stage names are still treated as surnames (Roan's article refers to her as Roan). Pamzeis (talk) 14:08, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

MOS:LISTSORT does not say that people need to be ordered by surname. It gives that as one of the options, but says you could also order by first name or initials.

Lists may be sorted alphabetically (e.g. for people: by surname, given name, initials)

I'm not trying to be rude, but did you skim over "e.g. for people: by surname, given name [...]" and read that as a single example (like "Smith, John")? Because if that's what it meant, it wouldn't make sense to then list "initials" after. What would surname-given name-initials even mean or look like? "Smith, John, J.S."?

You're saying that you thought Quiet Light was a band and therefore should be Q, but you're justifying your overall choice by giving the Lilith Fair article as an example, and the Lilith Fair article treats the band Indigo Girls as a G rather than I, placing them before Emmylou Harris. Which is a baffling decision in my opinion, but you're using that as an example to back your edit up.

I really don't wanna be rude, but come on man, I really don't wanna be having this discussion right now. The way it was before is so blatantly the best option ~2026-32492-01 (talk) 14:26, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

Disputed or potential content

I've consolidated the two previous talk page topics [EDIT: now just one talk page topic; the author of the second removed it] into the parent topic of "disputed or potential content". If either of the previous contributors have a problem with this or they feel it unfairly recontextualises their comments, please let me know and I'll revert myself. Put simply, here's some stuff where either the inclusion has been disputed or no one's tried to include it yet and maybe it could be added sometime in the future with better coverage. Everyone please feel free to add any potentially useful sources you find

• iHeartRadio shows on August 28 (She Is the Voice) and August 31 (iHeartRadio Presents: Olivia Rodrigo: Songs from Daisy Chain Fields) (1) (2)
• The announcement broadcast being on KUCI, not just KCSN (1)
• Official photography at the event, largely by women and LGBT+ photographers (1)
• Heatwave (1) (2)
• Things at the festival (such as art installations) other than the performances (1) (2)

~2026-41404-95 (talk) 17:50, 29 August 2026 (UTC)

It seems the "dispute" aspect of this whole situation has been resolved. ~2026-41404-95 (talk) 14:40, 30 August 2026 (UTC)

iHeartRadio shows in August

This content has been disputed; dropping it here on the talk page so I can maybe come back to it later, rephrase it, add sources, et cetera

Two [[iHeartRadio]] specials will air in promotion of the festival: on August 28, 2026, an hour-long appearance as guest host on ''She Is the Voice'', playing a mixture of the other performers' songs and songs from her latest album ''[[You Seem Pretty Sad for a Girl So in Love]]''; and on August 31, 2026, a thirty-minute compilation of recordings from Rodrigo's set at the festival.<ref>{{Cite news | last=Dailey | first=Hannah | date=2026-08-25 | title=Olivia Rodrigo to Guest Host on iHeartRadio One Day Before Her Inaugural Daisy Chain Fields Festival | url=https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/olivia-rodrigo-daisy-chain-fields-radio-specials-1236323880 | url-status=live | archive-url=https://ghostarchive.org/archive/9dct6 | archive-date=2026-08-28 | access-date=2026-08-28 | work=[[Billboard (magazine)|Billboard]] | publisher=[[Eldridge Industries]] / [[Penske Media Corporation]] | issn=0006-2510 | oclc=732913734 }}</ref> ~2026-41404-95 (talk) 22:41, 28 August 2026 (UTC)

This stuff is about a future promotional radio broadcast. Wikipedia describes what has happened, not what is going to happen. If someone uninvolved says that the broadcast on iHeartRadio was remarkable for this or that reason then we can relay that to the reader. But Wikipedia does not exist to drum up attention and interest. It's not a platform for advertising. See WP:NOTADVERT. Binksternet (talk) 22:57, 28 August 2026 (UTC)

Wikipedia describes what has happened, not what is going to happen.

To an extent but not completely. I mean, the festival hasn't happened yet.

If someone uninvolved says that the broadcast on iHeartRadio was remarkable for this or that reason then we can relay that to the reader.

Billboard felt it was notable enough to release a news article about it. I just thought it made sense to write about two official forms of promotion for the festival [EDIT 00:06 UTC - with one of them being the only known way content from the festival will be officially broadcast]. I don't really think WP:NOTADVERT applies. ~2026-41404-95 (talk) 23:03, 28 August 2026 (UTC)

Layout and style tweaks

The US spelling of lineup does not hyphenate the word.

The infobox list of "Benefit concert, music festival" should be in sentence case. Don't capitalize "music".

The infobox location never needs the street address. Great Park (Irvine) suffices. Remove "8000 Great Park Boulevard".

The lead section should be broken up into two or three paragraphs. The first will say who founded it, why, when and where. The second will list performers. A third can be about the money raised, the audience and critical reception. Binksternet (talk) 15:32, 30 August 2026 (UTC)

Tone issues and trivial content

Expanding on the identified areas for improvement above, the article prose appears to not be written in an appropriate encyclopedic tone, and contains a lot of trivia and promotional content. I would suggest that these issues are corrected going forward to help improve the article.

Examples of the tone issues:

• "The women-led line-up forwent financial compensation to appear at the festival" - The jargon used here is too complex, in my opinion, for the average reader to understand. Consider replacing the verb "forwent" with something more closely resembling plain english.
• "Rodrigo co-designed a collection of merchandise for the festival with ten female entrepreneurs" - another jargon issue, the noun "entrepreneurs" needs to be swapped for something considered plain english e.g. businesswomen or business owners.
• "an hour-long show hosted by Rodrigo in which she played songs by artists from the festival's line-up" - the verb "played" is too informal in this context and should be swapped for something else e.g. "performed".
• "She went on to share that" - again, this is too informal, consider rewording it to something like "She further explained that". The following quote "I just feel like we need something really positive to do and see, and young girls need awesome role models who are supporting other women and who are engaging in something that's really joyful and musical and community-oriented" is too long and can be paraphrased.
• "Rodrigo said that she wanted the festival's branding to feel detached from the roll-out of her album" - it is not clear what album is being referred to as it has not been mentioned here or prior.
• "Later in July" - could be changed to "Later that month" as July is already mentioned in the preceding sentence.
• "and was also be available on festival grounds" - this isn't so much a tone issue as it is a grammatical error, it is missing the infinitive marker "to" before "be", to create the correct verb structure, and the determiner "the" before "festival grounds". I would suggest rewording this to something like "was also available on the festival grounds".
• "playing a mixture of the other performers' songs and songs from her latest album" - considering rewording to "playing a combination of the performers songs and material from her album".
• There is a general issue in the article prose where it is lacking determiners such as "the", and prepositions such as "in", in favor of semicolons, which makes it read more like a list of various facts in parts.

Examples of trivial/promotional content:

• "Inspired by Lilith Fair, it was founded by American singer-songwriter Olivia Rodrigo and took place on August 29, 2026; Rodrigo has stated she has hopes for it to be an annual event." - this is one sentence and contains four different topics: what the festival is inspired by, who founded it, when it took place, and Rodrigo's hopes for it. Based on WP:NOTNEWS, I would argue that including "she has hopes for it to be an annual event" should be omitted as it is exactly that - an intention or "hope" rather than a confirmed fact. The rest of the sentence needs to be split into multiple sentences. "Inspired by Lilith Fair" is given undue weight when who founded the festival and its date are more widely reported and relevant details and should come first in the lead.
• "Rodrigo contacted each invited performer individually" - This is not particularly relevant, and I don't believe it is appropriate as a stand-alone sentence, as it reads more like an afterthought currently. Per WP:NOTDIARY, "Even when an individual is notable, not all events they are involved in are. For example, news reporting about celebrities and sports figures can be very frequent and cover a lot of trivia, but using all these sources would lead to overly detailed articles that look like a diary". The source which supports this piece of information is only being used for just that, so I would suggest removing this or reworking it to be part of the Lineup section which it would be more relevant in. And a side note, "Line-up" is one word so remove the hyphen.
• "In an interview with Shaad D'Souza for the Pitchfork e-magazine, Rodrigo said that the festival was inspired by Lilith Fair" - this is a repeat of what has already been said in the first paragraph of Background, just with a different source. If you still want to include this, you can reword the sentence in the first paragraph "in which she cited it as an inspiration to her career" to "which she cited as an inspiration to her career and the festival", which would also fix the grammatical issues, and add the source there.
• "The festival's sponsors are Depop, Etsy, Taco Bell, and Verizon" - only one secondary source is provided to support this and it only mentions Depop. No other secondary sources have been included which mention in meaningful detail the festival's other sponsors Etsy, Taco Bell, and Verizon. Per WP:RSPRIMARY, "Wikipedia articles should be based mainly on reliable secondary sources, i.e., a document or recording that relates to or discusses information originally presented elsewhere." Currently, including the later three appears to be promotional content which is against Wikipedia's WP:PROMO policy, and is only supported by a primary source (the festival's website).
• "the collection is available for online purchase through Etsy and was also be available on festival grounds" - once again this is promotional content and needs to be omitted.
• "Two iHeartRadio specials serve as promotion for the festival: on August 28, 2026, an hour-long Rodrigo appearance as guest host on She Is the Voice, playing a mixture of the other performers' songs and songs from her latest album You Seem Pretty Sad for a Girl So in Love, and on August 31, 2026, a thirty-minute compilation of recordings from Rodrigo's set at the festival." - this could be worded differently to avoid appearing as trivia e.g. "In promotion of Daisy Chain Fields, a 30-minute compilation of songs from the festival's setlist was aired on iHeartRadio. Rodrigo also took part in a special aired on the radio station, She Is the Voice, which featured songs from her album You Seem Pretty Sad for a Girl So in Love, as well as songs by the festival's other performers." This clearly links the specials to the festival and its promotion in an appropriate formal tone rather than appearing as another general fact.
• "after Katseye member Megan Skiendiel suffered an ankle injury two days before the festival" - you don't have to specify the injury.

I have added the maintenance templates Tone, Trivia, and Promotional to the article in light of the issues outlined above. Once the issues have each been resolved, the associated template can be removed. Zirthes (talk) 23:03, 30 August 2026 (UTC)

As one of the main contributors to the article's prose, I'll respond to this. I'm gonna focus on the tone critiques tonight and maybe address the content critiques another day.

• and was also be available on festival grounds – Recently-introduced typo. Fixed.
• Rodrigo said that she wanted the festival's branding to feel detached from the roll-out of her album – Fixed
• playing a mixture of the other performers' songs and songs from her latest album – "Combination" and "mixture" are equal in formality in this context. Regardless, I've changed this to match your preference.
• She went on to share that – I've changed this. I've left the quote, as I don't feel it's too long given the subject of the quote (the founder discussing what the festival means to her).
• Later in July – "Later in July" and "Later that month" are equal in formality, and mentioning a month in two consecutive sentences is not necessarily clunky. I've not changed this to match your preference but I wouldn't mind if you or someone else does.
• The women-led line-up forwent financial compensation to appear at the festival – I disagree that this is too complex or technical for an encyclopedia. I've not changed this.
• Rodrigo co-designed a collection of merchandise for the festival with ten female entrepreneurs – I disagree that this is too complex or technical for an encyclopedia. I've not changed this.
• an hour-long show hosted by Rodrigo in which she played songs by artists from the festival's line-up – "Performed" would be incorrect here. This is referring to a radio show in which Rodrigo was the host/DJ, not a performer. "Played" works fine. I've not changed this.

~2026-41404-95 (talk) 23:37, 30 August 2026 (UTC)

I agree with Zirthes. "Forwent" is too clumsy. "Female" should be changed to "woman" or "women" as needed, unless actual minor-aged girls were involved. The verb "played" could be "auditioned" or "commented on". Binksternet (talk) 23:43, 30 August 2026 (UTC)

"Forwent" is too clumsy.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this, but I wouldn't mind if another editor writes a different sentence.

"Female" should be changed to "woman" or "women" as needed

"Female" only appears once in the article's prose, in "with ten female entrepreneurs". "Female" is correct here as an adjective; "woman" and "women" being used as an adjective is, as far as I'm aware, nonstandard and has only picked up steam in the last few years as a reaction to right-wing manosphere culture using "female" as a noun.

The verb "played" could be "auditioned" or "commented on".

Did she comment on them all as she hosted the show? I didn't listen so I'm not aware. I'm also not sure how "auditioned" works here. ~2026-41404-95 (talk) 23:50, 30 August 2026 (UTC)

I also don't love "forwent" – I've had a crack at rewriting to avoid it. I have no idea what the objection to "played" is, but all of the suggested alternatives significantly change the meaning – in some cases to things which just do not appear to be true. I agree with the TA that "female entrepreneurs" is a perfectly fine construction. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 10:41, 31 August 2026 (UTC)

I've made a few more tweaks to the lead but I think your solution (appeared without payment) looks good. ~2026-41404-95 (talk) 11:26, 31 August 2026 (UTC)

It wasn't really clear that the iHeartRadio show was actually a radio show and not an in person event, because iHeartRadio has hosted various concerts and award shows, which is why I got confused with the use of "played". I have removed that from the list of identified improvements. Zirthes (talk) 17:28, 31 August 2026 (UTC)