Talk:Crypteia

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Why is this article found in Category:Ancient Greek titles? — Itai (talk) 19:04, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Krypteria

Krypteria redirects here. What about the musical project (de:Krypteria)?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.234.44.170 (talk • contribs) 23:59, 4 May 2006

So write it - there, and include a dab header. Septentrionalis 20:40, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Very Good

It's very, very good that this info is here!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.224.228.218 (talk • contribs) 05:36, 17 September 2006

Wallon

Could you please give a full reference for the Wallon citation. Thanks. Twospoonfuls 09:03, 11 March 2007 (UTC) Agreed, came here to post this —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.229.201.180 (talk) 22:33, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

After some quick online searching, I believe the reference is to Henri Wallon Explication d'un passage de Plutarque sur une loi de Lycurgue nommée la Cryptie (fragment d'une Histoire des Institutions politiques de la Grèce) (1850) according to this website dedicated to Wallon: http://www.henriwallon.com/Ecrits_de_Henri_Wallon/BD/DW%20B03%20D07plus.htm

Use Google Translate to get a gist of it if you don't speak French (I don't).

The book is also available as a scan (in French) from HathiTrust Digital Library: http://hdl.handle.net/2027/nnc1.cu01991353

Mojowiha (talk) 14:05, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Koechly

'Others (Koechly, Wachsmuth) believe it to be a military training, similar to the Athenian ephebia. Jeanmaire points out that that this bushranger life has no common point with the disciplined and well-ordered communal life (see homonoia) of the Spartan hoplite;' this seems to me to miss the point. the crypteia was used to test and train future leaders who be operarating outside the phalanx ( at least in politics ). 217.7.209.108 10:34, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Modern sources?

I'm a bit concerned about the Koechly (1835), Wachsmuth (1844) and Wallon (1850) sources. Are they still valid and recognised or (as with much 19th century history) more interesting in a historiographic context?

Mojowiha (talk) 14:19, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

The first sentence is terrible and needs improvement

This is an awkward and confusing sentence, which is not a good way to start an article:

"The kryptai either principally sought out and killed helots across Laconia and Messenia as part of a policy of terrorising and intimidating the enslaved population, or they principally did a form of military training, or they principally endured hardships as an initiation ordeal, or the Crypteia served a combination of all these purposes, possibly varying over time.[1]."

Please attempt to diagram that sentence, grammatically.

Please attempt merely read it and learn what the volunteer editors claim to know or be informing our readers.

It seems to communicate:

1. We don't know;
2. It might have been three or more things;
3. or a combination, at the same time, or changing over time; but
4. each separate activity was allegedly according to us (impossibly) their *principal* occupation.

Huh? ~2025-34413-48 (talk) 01:46, 18 November 2025 (UTC)