Talk:Crank wave

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@Issan Sumisu there's still more to add to the history section, but I'm done going through sources today. Most of the sources don't directly say "crank wave" but a mix of the other names. 2010s post-punk revival is also somewhat connected to crank wave, just like how what you wrote for the zoomergaze article. Most of the sources don't mention "zoomergaze". This is one of the things that confuses me about this site because some articles will be written with this amount of lee way but others will have editors be super puritanical with terminology and want an explicit statement for every single thing. One of the issues I had with post-noise which is a very vast topic similar to crank wave here. Aradicus77 (talk) 21:56, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

The zoomergaze article does have many, many issues, such as what you named. I wrote it as section of the shoegaze article to discuss the trend of digicore/hyperpop fusion with shoegaze, not as a cohesive article with some cohesive name. You added that. I don't believe it should have been published how it was, I was planning on leaving it until better sources came along. At the very least, all the sources I added were explicitly discussing the fusion of digicore/hyperpop and shoegaze, even if they weren't using one name. The source in question here does not even do that. It's just discussing post-punk in the 2010s. It doesn't even make allusions to any part of crank wave (the Windmill, talk singing, any of the canon crank wave bands). It's clear from even skimming that article that it is not trying to discuss anything to do with this. I think the inclusion of Eagulls is the most obvious example of that. They sound like the Cure, not Black Midi. I could see it as discussing the post-punk scene between ppr and crank wave (which could possibly fit in precursors), but I don't understand how it could be viewed as discussing the early years of crank wave. Do you care to explain? Issan Sumisu (talk) 22:32, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

Well not gonna disagree on you with the precursor stuff because I was initially gonna have that stuff in "background" anyway. The roots of crank wave begun with the rise of the Calgary sound/Canadian post-punk scene in the 2010s with Women and Ought, then the forming of Protomartyr and Preoccupations who influenced Nordic bands like Iceage and Holograms. At the same time, you had groups like Idles in England and those coming from South London post-punk scene like Fat White Family, which would later harbour the Windmill scene with groups like Shame, BCNR... etc. This source refers to albums by Shame, Fontaines DC and Idles as "crank wave" = https://mancunion.com/2024/05/01/why-post-punk-needs-to-die/

And marks 2018 as the year that crank wave began to emerge Aradicus77 (talk) 08:57, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

Perhaps this article would help. It explictly mentions Ought and Iceage as making crank wave. I don't know the site but it has an editorial team meaning it probably passes WP:RS. It mentions quite a few of the same bands in that Headstuff source, but draws a distinction between crank wave and non-crank wave post-punk of the 2010s (Eagulls, Total Control). It's discussion of Ought and Iceage is slightly out of order. If you check, it mentions them being crank wave at the end, and then if you read back it's discernable that it's discussing crank wave during the paragraph beginning "From 2014 onwards". This also isn't used in the article yet but could be useful. Issan Sumisu (talk) 09:24, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

Thank you Aradicus77 (talk) 22:23, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

"Criticism" section has right-wing POV

Much of the "Criticism" section amounts to just calling bands "woke" and "liberal" and out of touch. This is an article about a music genre, and bringing politics into it doesn't immediately seem necessary.

There is some non-political criticism included too, which is fine, but the fact is, some of these bands are critically acclaimed (e.g. https://www.metacritic.com/music/ants-from-up-there/black-country-new-road, https://www.metacritic.com/music/schlagenheim/black-midi). And some not so much, as is the case with most every genre of music, but presenting only criticism when praise also exists is simply disingenuous.

On an unrelated note, much of the scope of this article overlaps with Windmill scene. Perhaps a merge is called for. Libido Sanguinis (talk) 23:10, 10 May 2026 (UTC)