Talk:Complement of HMS Bounty

Proposed mergers

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To merge the proposed people, other than William Peckover, into Complement of HMS Bounty with justification WP:1E. Klbrain (talk) 21:00, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

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• John Fryer (Royal Navy officer)
• John Hallett
• Thomas Hayward (Royal Navy officer)
• Ned Young
• William Muspratt
• Michael Byrne (sailor)
• Thomas Ellison (mutineer)
• William McCoy (mutineer)
• Matthew Quintal
• William Peckover

These articles are only known as figures in the mutiny on the Bounty which, while they are interesting, don't merit stand-alone articles. They can reasonably be merged into this article with perhaps one or two sentences on them. None of the people I've nominated have enough coverage to meet WP:GNG or WP:NPERSON, and are good examples of historical figures notable for one event. Some members of the complement have independent notability (mostly evidenced by a DNB entry) such as Peter Heywood, but the rest don't. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 13:13, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

• @Al Exhibitor, Anthony Appleyard, Btphelps, DVdm, Bigturtle, and Academic Challenger:: notify the (active) page creators or primary authors of content via pinging. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 13:52, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

• Merge these short articles into this one, but perhaps create redirects for the personel. - DVdm (talk) 14:31, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose: the "Mutiny on the Bounty" was not a single event, but a series of events that drew the men listed in this merger proposal in different directions based upon their own decisions and their social statuses; different things happened to them. For example, Ellison was hanged, Muspratt was reprieved on appeal, and Quintal went to Pitcairn. Bigturtle (talk) 15:54, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

  Bigturtle, this 'complement' page can reasonably cover the fates of all the soldiers (in fact it already does). These articles are short and have no potential to become longer (at least based on reliable-sources). Compare one of the mutineers who does merit a stand-alone article, John Adams (mutineer). He has an entry in the Dictionary of National Biography, New International Encyclopedia, and Encyclopedia Americana, indicating that sources outside of Wikipedia consider him worth writing about, which is the basic threshold of notability. Those listed above simply don't have that same depth of sourcing. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 16:05, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose: William Peckover deserves his stand-alone article as he sailed with Captain Cook three times, and I'm intending to expand his article with more information that we now know about him. Some of this information has been published in Cook's Log, the journal of the Captain Cook Soceity, and some is due to be published. CaptainCookFan (talk) 15:49, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
• Support merging, except perhaps William Peckover per CaptainCookFan. None of the others are notable outside of one event, and do not have (and will likely never have) significant coverage to meet WP:NPEOPLE. -M.Nelson (talk) 22:05, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

  Y Merge completed Klbrain (talk) 03:18, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Manx?

Hi, in the McCoy section, one mention of F. Christian is followed by a link to (Isle of) Man. In the FC article, it says that " ... Fletcher's father's side had originated from the Isle of Man ...", but a) isn't that relation too weak to make FC himself a Manxman, and b) even if true, why would that piece of info be placed there? Didn't snip it myself, for fear of unknown unknowns, but I'd vote for snippage. T 84.208.65.62 (talk) 14:59, 5 May 2024 (UTC)