Talk:Climate Museum

Attendance

@Netherzone @CT55555 pinging two of my favorite art related editors. I have a slight COI here and while I think I can probably make these edits, I'm erring on the side of caution. I'm bypassing ER since it's hopelessly backlogged and this isn't in a clean format, but if this is something you're not able to/interested in, absolutely no worries and I'll put it in the queue.

I think this article would benefit from a little context indicating the population it has served through its exhibits and public programming, perhaps in Climate_Museum#Exhibitions_and_arts_initiatives or if there's an intro that contextualizes exhibits/public/youth programming sections. I think this article or this one could be helpful, especially the 105K in audience. There is a little in each from the museum director, but I do believe it's independent content and both publications use writers.

Separately, I feel that Climate_Museum#Panel discussions and dialogue events could probably go, I"m not sure they're notable and I'm not able to find any sourcing that isn't just an event listing. If you wanted to amend the last sentence of exhibits, their site (not advocating as a source, just confirmation of facts) has the date for the new exhibit. Unfortunately this part doesn't confirm that the 2022 one closed. I'll see if I can find a source with an end date.

Thoughts? Thanks either way! Star Mississippi 01:14, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Star Mississippi, thanks for the ping. I will have a look at the article in the next few days. I'm really surprised I've never heard of this museum. Looking forward to learning more about it. Netherzone (talk) 01:45, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! And absolutely no rush whatsoever.

They have a fascinating story and have done really interesting work in this time where, sadly, climate is all too relevant. Star Mississippi 01:59, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Dropping a link to an article about the new exhibit in lieu of the museum's site if you decide that's worth including. It references "last year" for the closed exhibit which should be sufficient if you decide to cite the sentence about the prior exhibit. Star Mississippi 21:40, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

I will wait until after the show opens on Oct. 7 to make the edit. Netherzone (talk) 00:13, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

I did a little clean up and added two sources and content on the new exhibit. Netherzone (talk) 15:20, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

@Star Mississippi, I continued with clean up of excessive detail and promotionally-toned content. Will go back and proofread, or if you have the time, it would be great to have another set of eyes. I am also wondering if the "Governance and Funding" section is needed. Do we normally list the trustees in museum articles? I'm also wondering if the funding belongs somewhere else in the article, or is necessary to include. Netherzone (talk) 20:14, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you again.

It looks great. I feel like there might be a word missing here In October 2023, presented the pop-up and that's one I'd feel comfortable making despite the slight COI, but didn't want to step on your toes if there's particular wording you had in mind.

I personally don't think government & finance is sneeded. The Candid rating does not appear particularly notable, and the governance and funding are true of many museums. I feel like if a reader is curious about any of that, such as if they're evaluating making a donation, they'd research it on their own. Star Mississippi 15:28, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Please make any sentence structure, grammar or spelling corrections. I'm not a great writer and sometimes write "inside out" or "forwards backwards" sentences. I'm visually oriented and struggle with wording things correctly. I'll go ahead and trim the governance/finance section. Netherzone (talk) 17:07, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

I made the edit, but there really wasn't anything to change. You did an excellent job. I feel comfortable in some areas, but if I'm writing in an unfamiliar subject area I feel as if I'm not a native speaker.

PS: Why yes, I did just learn WikiLove. Star Mississippi 17:26, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Just disclosing I made an edit. It's factual on address and artist so don't think there's an issue. Feel free to remove if you don't think it fits. Star Mississippi 15:49, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm happy to help out with edit requests should they be necessary. Netherzone (talk) 14:36, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

The most recent exhibit has closed. I don't know whether it was in April as indicated in the cited NYT article or if it extended, but it's past tense on the museum's site. @Netherzone I made a minor edit from features to featured. I leave it to you and others totally unconnected if you think it needs further edit. THanks, as always, for the help. Star Mississippi 01:52, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Seeking a space

@Netherzone what do you think about adding something along the lines of the following at the end of the first paragraph of history after "The following February, the museum received 501(c)3 nonprofit status.:

As of September 2024, the museum remains in search of consistent funding and a permanent home. Source is this article in Time which is an interview with Massie but factual enough that I think AboutSelf is OK here, since she's talking about the museum and not a BLP.

No rush and absolutely no worries if you don't think it merits adding. Star Mississippi 02:52, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

 Done - happy to help out with this request.

Here is a sobering statistic from the Time article: In 2022, less than two percent of philanthropic funding worldwide went to climate crisis mitigation, according to a study done by Climate Works Foundation. Netherzone (talk) 14:37, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

THANK YOU! It's so frightening and disheartening. We as a society - or rather those with the means - seem not to "get it" enough to care. Hopefully Helene hitting where no hurricanes should will change, but I doubt it since neither Irene nor Sandy moved the needle much.

Part of what I love about their work is that they're making it accessible. You don't need to understand the science to see the art and understand why it's a problem. Hopefully someone with means sees it as they continue to pop up. Star Mississippi 15:22, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Makes a person want to shout from the rooftops, "Pay Attention! Please Pay Attention!" I know I'm heading into not-a-forum territory by saying this, but I wish all those billions of tax dollars dodged by people of significant means could be retrieved somehow and redirected towards these issues that harm life on the planet, including all the species we are taking down with us. Nature will win this, yet humans remain with their heads in the sand. Netherzone (talk) 16:11, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Yep. Kills me with all the eco tours that are so expensive yet so little is given back to Galapagos, etc. I was running along the river the other weekend and it is clear Mother Nature wants what's hers. Ditto the flooding we see in even lesser storms. It is not good, nor sustainable. Star Mississippi 00:54, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

===New building===

Hi @Netherzone or anyone else who might be interested or willing in this edit.

Currently the second to last sentence of history reads: As of September 2024, the museum remains in search of consistent funding and a permanent space for operations and exhibitions.

In January, the museum announced a new home.

What do you think about a revised sentence such as:

Following an announcement in September 2024 that they remained in search of funding and a permanent space for operations and exhibitions, the museum announced in January 2025 that it would move to a new building in Hudson Yards in 2029. Construction is expected to begin in 2026.

Sources: https://news.artnet.com/art-world/new-york-climate-museum-permanent-location-2595240 and https://time.com/7024811/climate-museum-new-york-art-change/ (already in the article).

No worries if not, and absolutely no rush should you choose to implement it. Star Mississippi 22:14, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

@Star Mississippi, oh that is good news, and in Chelsea/Hudson Yards no less. I will make the edit to the article. All best, Netherzone (talk) 22:17, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

Thank you @Netherzone! Exciting times for the museum in these uncertain times. Star Mississippi 01:32, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

Address

Is it relevant to add the address of the permanent location?

Cited in this article - https://news.artnet.com/art-world/new-york-climate-museum-permanent-location-2595240 SophiesSketchbook89 (talk) 23:29, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Question from the director of the Climate Museum

@ Star Mississippi and other editors, hello! My name is Miranda Massie, I am the director of the Climate Museum, and I've just read through the exchange above, which I so appreciate in all respects. It's what crowdsourcing and the internet should be. I am proud to be a longstanding small monthly donor.

I have some questions about information that's become inaccurate.

On the section "New York City permanent location": We were part of a real estate deal that's featured in this section of the article that we are no longer pursuing. I understand that we can't add new information that's not validated by a reasonable, public third party. But can we remove references to something that's no longer true? Since it's not newsworthy that we are no longer part of the deal, there will never be a third-party reference, though we could share board minutes with Wikipedia team members if that would help.

Basically, there's now misinformation in the article; this is bad for us in ways that are not within Wikipedia's institutional concern or bailiwick, but I would think it would also be disfavored by Wikipedia.

In addition, we have a new logo that's about to be introduced, and the permanent Google map address is our old office space which we vacated during Covid :)

There are many other things I would love to update and add to -- I'm only raising items that are now affirmatively incorrect.

Please let me know if there's anything that we can do to help address this. Many thanks for your work on this article, and in general.

warmly, Miranda ~2026-40874-79 (talk) 17:48, 21 July 2026 (UTC)

@~2026-40874-79 Miranda, I've removed the section on NYC permanent location, since it is no longer relevant. Netherzone (talk) 20:10, 21 July 2026 (UTC)

Thanks Miranda/@~2026-40874-79 and @Netherzone

I normally don't touch this article directly as I'm familiar with your work, but removing the logo is straightforward and I have done so. I'm not sure where the address is coming from as it isn't in wiki data. When I figure out how, I'll remove it. (@Left guide, do you know by any chance?) Best of luck with all the museum's plans and don't hesitate to drop another note if we can help. Star Mississippi 03:07, 29 July 2026 (UTC)

Never mind, it was on wikidata. I was looking in the wrong spot. I have removed it. Star Mississippi 03:10, 29 July 2026 (UTC)

Thank you, @Star Mississippi—-that previous space was generously loaned to us by a law firm when we first got started, and no matter how carefully we tried to convey it wasn’t an exhibition space (and later that we weren’t there at all), there’s something so concretizing about an address that it swamps other info. Would-be visitors would plan to come see a show and appear at reception befuddled by the law firm surround. You’ve saved some Climate Museum-curious people and the law firm’s reception staff some time! @Netherzone I appreciate you both. ~2026-42810-41 (talk) 12:59, 2 August 2026 (UTC)

Thank you @Netherzone! ~2026-42810-41 (talk) 12:43, 2 August 2026 (UTC)

@~2026-42810-41/Miranda, and @Star Mississippi, happy to help. But I'm a bit confused now...I too thought it was a physical space similar to the old The Alternative Museum based in NYC. If it is more of a "museum without walls", meaning it is a non-for-profit curatorial and educational organization that curates temporary shows, cultural events and projects in various spaces–without its own physical space and collection–then shouldn't the article reflect that more directly? Netherzone (talk) 14:41, 2 August 2026 (UTC)