Talk:Clan Eliott

Represent Clan Eliott

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{{Template:User Clan Elliot 2}}	This user is a clansman of Clan Elliot	Usage
{{Template:User Clan Elliot}}	This user represents Clan Eliot. Fortiter et Recte	Usage

Clan Elliot or Clan Eliott?

What is the clan name? The clan is listed as Clan Eliott in Way, George; Squire, Romilly (2000). Clans & Tartans. Glasgow: HarperCollins. ISBN 0-00-472501 8.. It is listed this way on the Standing Council of Scottish Chiefs website, too. Same on the Burke's Peerage website, "Chief of the Name and Arms of Eliott". I think the article should be moved to Clan Eliott.--Celtus (talk) 00:23, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Moved.--Celtus (talk) 09:00, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Armstrong's and Elloitt's

As I understand it, the Armstrong and Eliott's were major allies in the lowland territory and often inter married between the clans. I was wondering if its also suitable to mention that the Eliott's and Armstrong's where the two strongest clans within the borders area?

--KineticRic (talk) 16:23, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely, include references too, which shouldn't be hard considering they were the two notoriously devious clans in the borderlands. Je.rrt (talk) 00:39, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

@KineticRic At least spell the name the Scottish way 98.200.116.204 (talk) 03:23, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Article destruction by User: Lawismarkellot who is also using IP address: 67.0.63.191

Ok so this user (User talk:67.0.63.191 obviously the same person as user: User:Lawismarkellot) is adding masses to the article which which is drawing conclusions from primary sources, and combining secondary sources to prove an otherwise unpublished point of view which is original research and not permitted on Wikipedia as per: Wikipedia:No original research. Also most of the information this user is adding is about the surname Eliott and not the Clan Eliott which the article is supposed to be about. These are two different subjects. I have tried to get the user to start a discussion about all of these issues but he is refusing to discuss the issues and is turning the situation into an "edit war" as per Wikipedia:Edit warring.QuintusPetillius (talk) 16:49, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

I agree. There are real problems of original research here. Lawis, please read the 'Wikipedia:No original research' page Quintus linked to.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 00:24, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Lawismarkellot, please don't edit war. Editors aren't supposed to constantly revert each other. We're supposed to settle disagreements and misunderstandings on talkpages like this. The stuff your adding comes across as original research and gibberish. Please read the pages Quintus linked to.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 02:04, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Lawis Mark Ellot

Name taken from someone hung for steeling sheep, during the 16th Century. Not a Redhuegh Elwald (Elliot), but am of Stobs. Clementis Hobs of Stobs is my family line. In the Redheugh sasine of 1484, Walter Scot of Edschaw son of David Scot of Buccleuch, with two brothers of Cessford, and many great grandfather William Elwald of Gorrenberry, were in attendance to establish the Redhuegh line with land ownership. The father of Clementis Hobs is The Cowie of Gorrenberry, a Andrew Elwald of Baililie hidden away with the story to keep him from being captured because he was accused in the slaughter of a Hugh Douglas. So have "Cowie" this somewhat.

Because I am a Cowie, can stand in front of the above an he will not know I am there until I tell him so. On the Clan Eliott, sight the above deleted links to the Clan Armstrong Trust, and to Clan Crozier. After I point this link out from the Clan Eliott site it will likely be deleted, but it is also available on Clan Armstrong. An for a time being here. Remember I am not descended from Redheugh, and my family was vanished from both kingdoms in 1608, being Scandinavian, and it seem like the Normans of a single leader society are ruling the Clan Eliott United Kingdom site. They do not yet rule the German Clan Elliot site, or the US Clan Elliot Society site. So in the US and Germany I am Elliott, but in the United Kingdom, proud to say I am an Armstrong.

http://gorrenberry.com/armstrong-fairbairn-elliot-y-dna-link/

Mark Ellot.

We are not interested in your claimed ancestry and it is not relevant to Wikipedia. Your comments are of no help.QuintusPetillius (talk) 10:23, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Since you mention server; Google "North British Windpower", see how many graphics for my websites under attack with influences of MI6NBW or should I say M16NBWP, to keep it coded. A year from now Google it again then check the numbers. Gorrenberry Ellot are claiming Clan Elliot Wikipedia. Better check with MI6NBW on it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.161.1.38 (talk) 01:08, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Have made pages; http://gorrenberry.com/chiefs-kerr-elliot-duke-of-roxburghe-nbw-nbwp/ http://www.elwald.com/chiefs-kerr-elliot-duke-of-roxburghe-nbw-nbwp/ It will take awhile to graphics to surface, in images, and web links to que to the top of a Google North British Windpower NBW search, but it will be interesting to see how low. Guess will need to publish more NBW is I am not give control as and Elliott of the Clan Elliot site. Reheugh and Gorrenberry are cousins and lines link in fifteenth century.

The Cowie of Gorrenberry shows when the family needs help. Haven't been able to get back until the advent of the internet.

Cowier of Gorrenberry — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.161.67.169 (talk) 01:36, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Once again, your personal ancestry is of no relevance as to what can go in this Wikipedia article. And you cannot use self-published sources. I am simply reverting to the version that we have consensus for via myself, User:Arjayay and User:Brianann MacAmhlaidh. That's a consensus of three to one and we have all reverted your edits that are again drawing conclusions from primary sources, and combining secondary sources to prove an otherwise unpublished point of view which is original research and not permitted on Wikipedia as per: Wikipedia:No original research. The article you are trying to create is complete and utter gibberish.QuintusPetillius (talk) 16:09, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Tartan

Isn't the tartan pictured Elliot ancient, not modern? The description refers particularly to the ancient version having thick brown or burgundy stripes, and the stripes in the pic appear brown to me . . . 199.108.124.254 (talk) 21:02, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

I will look into this and see if it can be verified as modern or ancient.QuintusPetillius (talk) 09:05, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

Elliot or Elliott

The clan itself spells the family name "Elliot," and who would dare meddle with that? 98.200.116.204 (talk) 16:08, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Request for Clarification and Correction of Clan Name and Spelling

The historically recognized Scottish clan is Clan Elliot, with one “t.” While there are several orthographic variants of the surname—Elliott, Eliott, Eliot, Ellot—they all trace back to the same Border clan. There is no separate clan named “Eliott” or “Elliott,” and using “Eliott” as the article title and dominant spelling may mislead readers into thinking otherwise.

This is confirmed by:

• The Court of the Lord Lyon, Scotland’s heraldic authority, which is established by statute and has legal jurisdiction over clan names, coats of arms, and chiefship recognition. It formally recognizes only one clan chief: Margaret Eliott of Redheugh, 29th chief of Clan Elliot.

• The Elliot Clan Society, which documents the surname’s evolution from Elwold to Ellot to Elliot, and clarifies that all variants refer to the same clan.

• The Scottish Register of Tartans, maintained by the National Records of Scotland—a government agency—lists tartans for Clan Elliot, not “Eliott” or “Elliott.” This register was established by the Scottish Register of Tartans Act 2008, giving it statutory authority.

• The article’s own sidebar, which correctly refers to “Elliot Clan Chief,” contradicting the body text and title.

I saw that the 2008 move to “Clan Eliott” cited Way & Squire’s Clans & Tartans, Burke’s Peerage, and the Standing Council of Scottish Chiefs. These are respected sources, but they don’t override the statutory authority of the Court of the Lord Lyon. Way & Squire is a popular reference book, not a legal register.

Further:

• Burke’s Peerage refers to personal arms—“Chief of the Name and Arms of Eliott”—not the clan name itself.

• The Standing Council of Scottish Chiefs is advisory; it does not define clan names under Scots law.

• The legally recognized clan name is Clan Elliot, and this is reflected in both the heraldic register and the national tartan database.

Also, the paragraph on clan origins contains internal contradictions:

Suggested Fixes

• Restore “Elliot” as the primary spelling for the clan name throughout the article, including the title.

• Clarify that all spelling variants refer to the same clan, not separate lineages.

• Revise the origin section to reflect the well-established Border origin and remove contradictory claims.

• Harmonize the sidebar and body text to ensure consistency and historical accuracy.

Sources:

• Court of the Lord Lyon
• Elliot Clan Society – The Name
• ScotClans – Elliot Clan History
• Scottish Register of Tartans – Clan Elliot
• National Records of Scotland

Mosfetish (talk) 05:37, 21 October 2025 (UTC)