Talk:Cizre

Under siege of Turkish Army

There is current news that Cizre is isolated due to the turkish army operating. Can someone add this to the main article? I don't have english sources for it. 2A02:8388:1600:6900:BE5F:F4FF:FECD:7CB2 (talk) 01:23, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

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Weather

I would like to open a discussion about the weather. There is an IP who opposes the weather data. If we find an other source, which is really better, why not? But I'd be glad if we find consensus.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 23:50, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Have they given any reason? There was none in the edit summaries I saw. Konli17 (talk) 03:22, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

You are right, now an account has arrived and again removes climate data without filling any edit summaries or even taking part in this discussion.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 14:49, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Paradise Chronicle and Atsizat: Hopefully you are now both OK with it but if not and you would like another opinion let me know.Chidgk1 (talk) 09:54, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Kurdish name

Hello Mugsalot, the name Cizîr is more common and used in other Wikipedias too. This can also be seen with a simple verbatim internet search. The source is just a name and a year without even a page number so it's not very helpful and in my opinion not reliable. -- Guherto (talk) 20:09, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

If it's easy to find it should be no trouble for you to find a reliable source to support your assertion that Cizîr is an alternative spelling. The source used in the article is page x of Biner, Zerrin Ozlem (2019). States of Dispossession: Violence and Precarious Coexistence in Southeast Turkey. University of Pennsylvania Press., and there is no reason to believe it is unreliable. Mugsalot (talk) 20:15, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

@Mugsalot: Oh I thought that they meant unknown with p.x, how did you find all that information about the source? I will look into finding a better source for the name. -- Guherto (talk) 20:17, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

I understand, that's an easy mistake to make. The full book title is in the bibliography, plus I wrote the article so I remember which source it is. I didn't format every reference with sfnp so it didn't link to the book title, but I'll change that now. You can add Cizîr alongside Cizîre‎ once you've provided a source, the more the merrier. Mugsalot (talk) 20:20, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm not very used to wikies. I added Cizîr (with source) and kept Cizîre. -- Guherto (talk) 20:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

That's alright, practice makes perfect. Mugsalot (talk) 22:25, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Cizîra Botan

Torivar, I'm replying to you here as our talk pages are not the appropriate place to discuss content pertaining to this article. I reverted your addition as you provided excessive references, most of which were from non-English sources that cannot be verified. The only English source I can access (Understanding Turkey's Kurdish Question (2013), p. 9), refers to the emirate of Bohtan, does not use the term 'Cizîra Botan', and has no mention of Cizre itself. On Rediscovering Kurdistan’s Cultures and Identities (2018), p. 24, it is stated that Cizîra Botan is the name of the aforementioned principality. Kurdistan 24 states that Cizîra Botan is a 'a Kurdish region in Turkey'. Mugsalot (talk) 14:57, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Mugsalot Hi again, As I mentioned the name includes the city as well, its somewhat similar to naming the "Jazirat Ibn Umar" because the "Cizre" is the name of the city and then it may become a region, but its source is the city. Usually non-English sources are added to non-English nomenclature so the source language is not the problem. I found two sources here and here, although the previous sources were more clear. Torivar ^{talk ✉} 16:31, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Torivar, the language of your sources is an issue as they need to be verified and your edits will be reverted if contradicted by verifiable sources in future. I have added that 'Cizîra Botan' is an alternative name for Cizre with a reference from a reliable and verifiable source. Please provide a reliable English-language reference that supports your statement that it is derived from the Botan emirate. Mugsalot (talk) 17:54, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

1877-1878 Osman pasha bedirkhan revolt

@Mugsalot I don’t understand why you reverted my edit. At first, you said it was unsourced, so I added a source, but now you say you reverted the correct edit. NEMURO (talk) 16:11, 13 November 2025 (UTC)

NEMURO, the article already covered the city's capture during the revolt, not to mention your edit was poorly formatted and broke existing references. Mugsalot (talk) 16:23, 13 November 2025 (UTC)

Kurdish name 2

Hello, Mr. Mugsalot, I don't know how much you know about Cizîr, but 99% of the district population is Kurdish. The name Cizre is a name not used by either the district population or the Kurds themselves. It was chosen by the Turks as part of their policy of erasing Kurdish names. Anyway, this is a problem outside of Wikipedia. It's a bit odd that the district's most commonly used name is among its alternative names. I've tried to add it several times, but you've rejected it. For the reasons I've outlined above, I'd like you to reconsider. Penaber49 (talk) 18:38, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

Penaber49, Cizre is the official name of the city. I reverted your edit because you changed the referenced content and the name you added was already in the footnote. Mugsalot (talk) 19:02, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

Hello again. Cizîr is used at least four or five times more often than the official name. In almost all similar articles, both in the Turkish Wikipedia and in the English Wikipedia, the commonly used names are written in parentheses directly next to the official name of the article. As a local, and I'm sure many others share my views, the inclusion of the common name or Kurdish name in the footnotes makes Wikipedia resemble, or behave like, government censorship documents. It's important to state clearly that this and similar behavior are not tolerated by Kurds. This is why I'm making these efforts. Thank you. Penaber49 (talk) 19:36, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

Penaber49, Cizre's other names are in the footnote. That is not censorship. Mugsalot (talk) 20:14, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

Anyway, I think it will be harder to understand. Thank you for listening not only to your own ideas but also to the ideas of others :) Penaber49 (talk) 20:53, 22 November 2025 (UTC)