Talk:Church of Saint Porphyrius

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Messy

To expand the history section, can anyone explain the messy relationship between the Great Mosque of Gaza (originally a Eudoxia/later Saint Pohrphyrius church/turned mosque/turned church/turned mosque), Katib al-Wilaya Mosque, and this current Church. The three buildings are located within maximum 200 meters distance area. A source trying to explain the relationship is very messy. Makeandtoss (talk) 14:59, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Seems the current church was built from scratch in the 12th century? But how was the saint's buried body transferred there? Makeandtoss (talk) 15:04, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

said to be the third oldest church in the world.

I think this claim and the reference supporting it should be removed.

The current building of the Church of Saint Porphyrius was erected in the 1150s or 1160s, and even the previous building on the site is given as being at oldest from AD 425.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_church_buildings lists many older churches than AD 425, and the source given for the 'third oldest church' claim is a Business Insider article about the modern war, not a source about ecclesiastical buildings or the history of churches.

The church is clearly very old and special, but it isn't third oldest, and I feel that specific Business Insider article shouldn't be cited for historical claims about the antiquity of the church since it is not authoritative on that subject. It makes the whole article look hyperbolic and so less credible. Bunnnnnnn (talk) 19:08, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. I can find no source prior to the Business Insider article stating it's third. Even defining the age by the church that was first built there, in 425, and it's status as an active church, Mar Sarkis monastery (325 at latest) the Church of the Nativity (~326) and Trier Cathedral (~340s) are easily older. 67.170.124.3 (talk) 07:47, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done. I am astonished that the "third-oldest church" claim has lingered so long. St. Porphyrius appears nowhere when DuckDuckGoing "oldest churches". (This seems the most reliable result. However, they freely take pictures from commons; I cannot tell if they merely regurgitate our List of oldest church buildings alluded to above.) Bernanke's Crossbow (talk) 00:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 December 2024

Change A church was built on the site as early as AD 425,[2] but the construction of the current church was undertaken by the Crusaders in the 1150s or 1160s; they dedicated it to St Porphyrius. In the seventh century, the church had been converted into a mosque.[3] to A church was built on the site as early as AD 425,[2] but in the seventh century, the church was converted into a mosque.[3] The construction of the current church was undertaken by the Crusaders in the 1150s or 1160s; they dedicated it to St Porphyrius. JSlip (talk) 19:48, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

 Done I have made the suggested change as it puts the information into chronological order. I also simplified the wording at the same time. Richard Nevell (talk) 20:10, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Repetitive sfn-type refs

How can one give them a short name and avoid full copy & paste repeat, especially when containing huge page URL? See case of Pringle p. 216 (now "ref name= DP6")? I chose "ref name= " template fully removing longer & repetitive sfn-type refs, but in some cases this may discard the benefits of fsn. Arminden (talk) 12:16, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

If I've understood the situation correctly, I think the below text should help. It uses the harvnb template so the reference can be defined once and as far as the reader is concerned gives the same result as the sfn template. So:

<ref name = DP9>{{harvnb|Pringle|1993|p=[https://books.google.com/books?id=BgQ6AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA219 219]}}</ref>

And it can be reused with the code:

<ref name = DP9/>

Richard Nevell (talk) 18:22, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

Hi Richard Nevell, and a big thanks for your help! Arminden (talk) 19:16, 23 September 2025 (UTC)