Talk:Charlie Marr

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. You can locate your hook here. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:08, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

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• ... that Charlie Marr lost his job coaching American football due to Mexican oil expropriation? Source:
  • ALT1: ... that Charlie Marr dislocated his neck and fractured his skull in consecutive years? Source: ,
  • ALT2: ... that Charlie Marr was "as destructive as a prairie fire" in the 1935 Rose Bowl? Source:
  • ALT3: ... that Charlie Marr turned down a pro football career to coach the sport in Mexico in the early 1930s? Source:
  • ALT4: ... that Charlie Marr was paid by oil corporations to coach American football in Mexico? Source:
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Mason Howell
  • Comment: I am open to suggestions on more interesting ways to word ALT0 (or any other hook).

Created by JTtheOG (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 17 past nominations.

JTtheOG (talk) 20:05, 13 February 2026 (UTC).

• Comment: @JTtheOG: Correct me if I'm wrong, but you appear to be using the {{open access}} icon incorrectly. I don't believe any of those sources are open access. You should probably remove them. If I'm wrong, let me know. It looks like you meant to use {{subscription required}}. Viriditas (talk) 01:54, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

Hey there. I suppose open access isn't right, but neither would the latter. They're all clippings, so anyone can read the sources without a subscription or even a registration. JTtheOG (talk) 02:05, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

I believe it is recommended to use {{subscription required}}. Non-subscription users only have access to a few free clippings, after which their access is cut off. Obviously, there are ways around that, but I'm fairly certain this is a subscription required use case like any other paywall that gives you free, limited access. In any case, they are not open access, so that needs to go. Viriditas (talk) 02:15, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

{{subscription required}} says that it only applies to website that require a paid subscription. In that case, it sounds like {{limited access}} is the best fit, unless the issue is that the source is not an academic journal. I think I borrowed the {{open access}} template from @BeanieFan11:, so I'll tag him in case he has anything to add to the discussion. JTtheOG (talk) 02:50, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

I used to use {open access} but I stopped recently, since Newspapers.com now paywalls clippings after readers have viewed a few (which is ridiculous in my opinion, honestly). I don't use any source access parameters now (see e.g. Cory Lekkerkerker my most recent subject for example) BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:58, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

I appreciate the input. I didn't know they started doing that. I've removed all instances. JTtheOG (talk) 03:12, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

@JTtheOG: You've got a slight contradiction in the article. First you say "Marr graduated from the University of Alabama with a bachelor's degree in Spanish." I cannot find that source anywhere, and I don't know where you were able to find it. (I found it on find a grave, and indeed, it contradicts the other one.) Then later you write that Marr "minored in Spanish at the University of Alabama", which I was able to confirm in the cited source. This needs to be resolved somehow. Viriditas (talk) 10:49, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

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• New and long enough. Sourced, neutral, and free from plagiarism. The article is presentable and cited to reliable sources. The hooks are hooky and interesting. No free images available. QPQ done. I only found two issues: per the above comment, the Dallas Morning News (1982) source contradicts The Birmingham News (1936) as to the major and the minor degree at UA. You will need to figure out how to handle that, as it is a common problem. Let me know what you come up with. The second issue is more of an observation. You use a lot of quotes in just the 1934 section, which by itself is not really all that bad given that you use them appropriately to propel the narrative forward in good sports writing style. The issue is that you have two quote boxes in a row in that same section, which I don't believe I've ever seen done before. In general, I would say that is slightly excessive, but this may be normal for sports-related articles, I don't know. Just bringing it up. It's not a deal breaker at this time, but you do need to fix the source contradiction. Viriditas (talk) 10:52, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
  • Ticking this off now seeing as the problem has since been fixed. No preference on the hooks, as they are all pretty good. I will leave it to the discretion of the promoter. Nice work on this article. It's a pleasure to read. Viriditas (talk) 23:07, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

  Hmm nice catch. I've modified the first sentence to reflect the school within UA that he earned his BA from. I left the second mention of his Spanish degree as is, in the coaching section. I believe it's much more likely it was just a minor. Firstly, it's directly stated by Marr in the 1936 source, which was published less than a year after his graduation. Second, the apparent contradiction is taken from an obituary almost a half-century later; it could've come from misreading an old source or a simple mistake by a family member. JTtheOG (talk) 23:13, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

  As for the quote boxes, I can't point to a specific example, but I do feel like I've seen them doubled up in the past. At the same time, I can see how it might be jarring to look at. My argument for inclusion would be that his Rose Bowl performance, which was written about for decades afterwards, was the crowning moment of his career, so I felt it was important to provide as much commentary as possible from a multitude of sources, especially given how there is no video record of these games so there are often blindspots in different reports of the same game. Anyways, thanks for your help! JTtheOG (talk) 23:23, 18 February 2026 (UTC)