Talk:Charles Edward Stuart

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The current article says in part: "In 1743, Charles fought at the Battle of Dettingen, where the British army was led by his chief rival, King George II".

I can find no evidence for Charles fighting at Dettingen in any of the major biographies. There is a chapter entitled "Dettingen" in G.A. Henty's book "Bonnie Prince Charlie" - but this book is not really about Charles Edward Stuart. Noel S McFerran 00:37, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The article said that the Battle of Culloden occurred in January 1746. As every source I have ever read indicated that Culloden's date was 15-16 April 1746, I changed this date. However, since I was rather confused by such a discrepancy in what seems to be an otherwise accurate article, I thought to post here to explain this change. echomikeromeo 00:49, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The date formerly given for the Battle of Culloden was actually the date for the Battle of Falkirk (at which Charles Edward was victorious). Noel S McFerran 02:03, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)

I see. --echomikeromeo 00:57, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

After Culloden

Can anyone elaborate why he did not continue the rising after his men regrouped at Ruthven after Culloden? Why did he feel himself betrayed and why did this lead him to flee? It is an important yet a point not deeply explored by the looks of it.

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'In popular memory, he is known as Bonnie Prince Charlie'

In whose 'popular memory'? The memory of which 'people'? This is a distinctly partisan Jacobite fan name. Not everyone was or is a Jacobite. In the memory of his opponents (Williamites, Whigs, most English and probably most Lowland Scottish people), he clearly wasn't considered 'bonnie'. To his opponents, he was 'the Young Pretender'. In more recent Scottish nationalism, Jacobitism is (mis)appropriated as an early ancestor, leading to the adoption of such terms by Scottish national romantics, but not everyone in Great Britain is Scottish and not even every Scot is a Scottish nationalist. A more adequate phrasing would then be something like 'In popular Scottish nationalist memory'. This seems like a push for Jacobite hegemony over British historical memory in general. 62.73.72.101 (talk) 22:59, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

Changed to the neutral text 'he has also been referred to as Bonnie Prince Charlie'. Coldupnorth (talk) 07:04, 20 August 2025 (UTC)