Talk:Charel Allen

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 01:39, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that basketball player Charel Allen scored more points in high school than NCAA all-time leading scorer Caitlin Clark?

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• • ALT1: ... in high school, basketball player Charel Allen scored more points than NCAA all-time leading scorer Caitlin Clark?

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• • ALT2: ... that basketball player Charel Allen was a five-time Bulgarian Cup champion despite only knowing a few words of Bulgarian?

• Sources: Five-time champ, "a few words", further context on language barrier: "Halftime speeches are usually all in Bulgarian,” Allen said of the language barrier. “Coach (Stefan Mihaylov) trusts me, though. With my knowledge of the game, I know what he's saying and what we need to do. If not, he'll translate for me later and let me know what I needed to do."]

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/John Hawks (architect)

Created by WikiOriginal-9 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 14:17, 30 October 2024 (UTC).

• The article is new enough at the time of the nomination and is adequately sourced. It also meets the length requirements. All hooks are cited inline. However, while Clark is a big name right now in the US, ALT2 might have more international appeal and is otherwise slightly less reliant on "specialist" information, so that would be my preferred hook. QPQ has been done. There is some minor close paraphrasing with this page, which will need to be addressed before this can be approved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:12, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Could you be more specific on the paraphrasing? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:15, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
    • I guess the copyvio detector doesn't like "averaged 26.1 points, 10.5 rebounds, 5.0 assists and 6.4 steals" but I'm not sure if there's a better way to write that. That's the standard order those stats are always placed in. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:47, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

It was giving a 50%+ score when I checked, no idea why it went down this time. Apart from what you mentioned there's also "double major in sociology and computer applications", though I'm not sure if there's a good way to rephrase that. Earwig doesn't seem to like the awards names either. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:51, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

I just slightly reworded two things and it went up to 40% -.- ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:59, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

It's at 16% now. That's probably okay. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 02:11, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, that should work. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:24, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

GA review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Charel Allen/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: WikiOriginal-9 (talk · contribs) 16:09, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Jordano53 (talk · contribs) 19:38, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Will start this review relatively soon. Jordano⁵³ 19:38, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

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I would advocate for the use of Template:Infobox college coach for her instead of basketball biography, as she is currently serving in that position.

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

• Could you make it clearer in the lead that she is actively serving as assistant coach? Right now it reads as she had previously served.
  • Revised. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:29, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
• Is the Street & Smith mentioned in the high school career section this one? Don't want to be wrong but if we have even a redirect it would be nice to link it.
  • I think it's the same as Street & Smith. Linked. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:29, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
• What is the Blue Star Index? I'm not certain if women's basketball is any different, but I imagine more reputable recruitment rankings are out there, like ESPN?
  • This source from around then (2003) says it's "a national recruiting service". It looks like it is still around because there are some recent articles mentioning it too. As for ESPN, I looked around the Web Archive from ESPN.com in 2004 but haven't been able to locate any women's basketball recruiting rankings. This 2004 article from Newspapers.com about Notre Dame women's basketball players mentioned Allen was a top-100 recruit on the Blue Star Index too. Don't see anything in Newspapers.com about Allen and ESPN. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:54, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
• I question the need for the last tidbit about Caitlin Clark, given it is a seemingly non-notable independent newspaper, we are never given her total high school point total, and because it seems a little thrown in at its current state.
  • Removed. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:55, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
• Any idea where she was a skill development trainer?
  • I didn't see anything. I don't think it's with any specific team. I think it's just a personal trainer type job. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:29, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

1. It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check.

   a (reference section): b (inline citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

• Well-cited, with the links I checked (1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 10; basically the most referred to ones) matching the info, however there are lots of instances of WP:REPCITE throughout the article that need to be cut down.
  • WP:REPCITE says "Material that is repeated multiple times in an article does not require an inline citation for every mention. If you say an elephant is a mammal more than once, provide one only at the first instance." I don't see anything that is repeated twice like that? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:34, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
    • @WikiOriginal-9: Should've clarified, I meant the "overkill" portion with consecutive sentences supported by the same refs. Jordano⁵³ 14:41, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

      @Jordano53: Revised. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 15:48, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

1. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   Covers all that needs to be covered

2. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

   Neutral

3. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

   None to be seen.

4. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   N/A. Would be nice if someone at Notre Dame could snag a photo.

5. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   Overall, very solid article! Just a few fixes and this article will meet the criteria. Thanks for your quality work! Jordano⁵³ 04:02, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

   @Jordano53: Responded to everything. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 13:00, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

   @WikiOriginal-9: On that note, all is well here. Passing- thanks again for writing this. Jordano⁵³ 23:09, 14 March 2025 (UTC)