Talk:CUNY SEEK

COI statement from CUNY

I am Wikimedian in Residence at CUNY, and I'll be contributing to this article alongside participants at the Baruch Black History Month Wikipedia Edit-A-Thon and others in the CUNY community. Pharos (talk) 19:48, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. Track your hook after promotion. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:46, 29 April 2026 (UTC)

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• ... that the City University of New York SEEK Program was adopted after a "midnight march" led by Shirley Chisholm and Percy Sutton, demanding it in exchange for their support of the Assembly Speaker?

• Source: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Shirley_Chisholm/M2P2EAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA84

• ... that the City University of New York SEEK Program fostered basic writing as an innovation in 1960s education?

• Source: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Research_in_Basic_Writing/kE_EEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA2

• ... that the City University of New York SEEK Program was one of the first of 14 college access programs implemented by U.S. states over 1966-68?

• Source: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Developing_Scholars/st2oEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA27

• ... that the City University of New York SEEK Program was adopted after a 1966 "midnight march" by African-American New York State legislators, demanding it in exchange for their support of the Assembly Speaker?

• Source: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Shirley_Chisholm/M2P2EAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA84

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Created by Pharos (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Pharos (talk) 17:07, 1 March 2026 (UTC).

• Article is new enough, long enough, and cited to reliable sources throughout. Hook fact is verifiable, but I think the hook is not all that clear (particularly to non-Americans). When I initially read "Assembly Speaker" I assumed it was a post in the CUNY senate not the New York State Assembly. Non-American readers are also not likely to know who Shirley Chisholm and Percy Sutton are, and the current hook is not well suited for a global audience as required by WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE. There are far too many links to pages other than the target nominated article. I think we need to work on crafting a hook less dependent on links to other pages in order to successfully direct traffic to the CUNY SEEK page. The midnight march could still be featured but crafted in a different way. I think focusing on the CUNY program as an affirmative action program could help and dropping the names of Chisholm and Sutton altogether would be ideal as these are names non-Americans and younger Americans are not likely to recognize. Additionally the article is currently not compliant with MOS:LEAD. There are many facts in the lead section not articulated in the body of the article. The lead section is supposed to contain only facts communicated in the body. The article needs some reworking to move content from the lead into the body, and then restructure the lead as a summary of the content expressed in the body. I shouldn't be seeing cited claims in the lead section that aren't expressed below the lead. The lead needs to summarize only. Until that happens, this fails the presentability component of WP:DYKCOMPLETE. Please propose alternative hooks below, fix the lead, and then ping me. Best.4meter4 (talk) 17:21, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
  • @Pharos: Just in case you didn't see this. Epicgenius (talk) 16:19, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
• As there has been no response from the nominator despite activity elsewhere and both a ping and a talkpage message, this is now marked for closure as abandoned. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:02, 16 April 2026 (UTC)

• My apologies, I thought my earlier editing addressed had already addressed the MOS:LEAD concerns. I don't really understand the hook concern, Shirley Chisholm is rather iconic, and if anything more famous now than she was during her lifetime. But several alternatives are possible.--Pharos (talk) 14:31, 16 April 2026 (UTC)

I imagine she is not well-known outside of the US, and remember that we are writing for international audiences and not just American ones. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:05, 16 April 2026 (UTC)

@Pharos: We need a new hook(s). Please propose new hooks below for review. It would be helpful to imagine writing a hook for someone who knows nothing about American politics or universities. Keep in mind that many of our readers live outside the U.S.A. will not know the names of politicians or schools. Writing hooks appealing and understandable to a global audience is the goal.4meter4 (talk) 01:51, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

It has been several days since the above but the nominator did not respond to the request for a new hook, despite being pinged. I am closing this, without prejudice against this being appealed at WT:DYK if there is a desire to see this continue, along with a new hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:08, 22 April 2026

@Narutolovehinata5: I added three new hooks on 20 April (see above).--Pharos (talk) 15:32, 22 April 2026 (UTC)

• Apologies, I somehow missed that. We need a new review for the new hooks; I have struck the original per the above discussion. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:30, 22 April 2026 (UTC)

The 'midnight march' one is good, once we've genericized out Chisholm and Sutton (who, yes, are less than recognizable). DS (talk) 17:57, 22 April 2026 (UTC)

• ALT4, which I consider the most interesting hook, is Approved. It is verified by a source, both here and in the text (well, at least now it is). 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 23:30, 27 April 2026 (UTC)

@Pharos, 4meter4, and Kepler-1229b: At 207 characters, ALT4 is too long, so I am going to promote a trimmed ALT4a: ... that the City University of New York's SEEK Program was funded after Black New York state legislators demanded it in exchange for supporting the re-election of the Assembly Speaker?