Talk:C-Block

Regarding "expert-verify" tag

I added it because the article is all over the place in terms of its information. It has a lot of red links, as well as links to stub articles. Google searches turn up very little, and so I wondered if there is anybody out there who knows anything about these artists and might be able to re-write or amend this article as necessary. The Baroness of Morden (talk) 16:24, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I used to follow their music quite closely when they were around, they charted pretty well especially with their first two singles in GSA region and Scandinavia as well , . Unfortunately, I'm unable to find reliable sources even in German language, in other words, no matter how I try to revise the article, we are probably going to remain unsourced besides charts positions and gold/platinum certification. --Harout72 (talk) 05:16, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

It's true, the lack of accurate information on the internet is frustrating... never mind inaccurate information that some try to force. I'll be adding the singer of So Strung Out, Raquel Gomez-Ray to the article and some sources for which I can't guarantee accurate information. Listening on YouTube on some of her euro-dance-pop-whatever songs listed on those sites and based on how she pronounces the words in those songs compared to So Strung Out I can say with a 95% certitude that it's her. Em27 (talk) 22:08, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Trademark issues (April 2026)

BenDunaBen (talk · contribs) has added the following paragraphs. My comments about these additions are in italics.

According to DunaBeats, the holder of the worldwide rights to C-BLOCK, a trademark dispute arose concerning the group’s name. According to DunaBeats, the trademark “C-BLOCK” had temporarily been registered with the patent office by Joe Thompson, although DunaBeats states that he had never had any connection to C-BLOCK at any time. It is also alleged that, as part of the application, a logo created by Frank Müller was used. The matter was later assessed as a bad-faith trademark filing, and cancellation of the incorrect trademark has been applied for.

There is no content at the Bock Legal site that mentions "C-BLOCK", so the cited source fails to verify the content. Nor is there any content at that site that appears to be attributed to an author named Ben Strecker.

As a result, another non-original C-BLOCK formation appeared under the name C-BLOCK, including in Romania and Bulgaria. According to DunaBeats, this formation was neither identified as a cover band nor authorized by Frank Müller to use the designation “original C-BLOCK” or to use the music. In 2026, Frank Müller instructed the law firm Bock Legal, which specializes in patent and trademark law, to take successful legal action against this use and to have the trademark registered again in Frank Müller’s name. In the meantime, Joe Thompson apologized to Frank Müller for the bad-faith filing with the words: “Hey man, sorry – that is only business.” The trademark dispute is therefore considered resolved.

There is no content at the Bock Legal site (and certainly nothing at their "Contact Us" page that is cited here) that mentions any of this. Again, failing verification. Nor is there any content at that site that appears to be attributed to an author named Ben Strecker.

DunaBeats offered Rob Money, who had previously appeared as a C-BLOCK cover rapper, the opportunity to perform officially and as an original member of C-BLOCK in the future under contract. However, such an agreement has so far not been reached for personal reasons on Rob Money’s side.

There is no content at Novinata.bg that verifies any offer to Money or any failure to reach an agreement on such an offer. Nor is there any content at that site that appears to be attributed to an author named Ben Strecker.

According to DunaBeats, further C-BLOCK concerts were initially suspended. Since January 2026, DunaBeats has distinguished between the formats “C-BLOCK Legacy,” which includes rap elements, and “FM C-BLOCK Project,” a format without rap featuring Elena Nikolaeva and Franky Miller. The latter is currently the only original C-BLOCK formation. According to the label, the project is based, among other things, on the track “So Strung Out (The Distance & Riddick Edit),” which has achieved around 290 million views across two videos on YouTube.

This sounds a lot like an attempt to cash in on the original C-Block's popularity by forming an entirely new group, with a new sound, but with the same name. At the very least, this content should not be part of the page about C-Block (a band that disbanded in 2000) and should be moved to a new article about FM C-BLOCK Project. Müller appears to hold the trademark to the C-BLOCK name from when he formed and produced the original band, so he is free to use that name as he sees fit, but Wikipedia should distinguish between the two projects and not conflate them in a single article.

In the course of the collaboration with singer Elena Nikolaeva, Franky Miller and DunaBeats opened an additional recording studio in Sofia, Bulgaria, alongside their studio in Budapest, where C-BLOCK songs are currently being re-recorded with Elena Nikolaeva.

FM C-BLOCK Project's press kit cited here does verify that the new band consists of Miller and Nikolaeva, but it mentions nothing of a studio in Sofia. The band's own press kit is not really a reliable source.

References

I had previously reverted these edits as being poorly sourced, but then BenDunaBen restored them. In the interest of avoiding an edit war, I'd like to ask @BenDunaBen: to discuss these issues here on this talk page. (PS: I note that the username BenDunaBen may well indicate an affiliation with the DunaBeats label. If so, disclosure of this conflict of interest is in order. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:11, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

Dear Dan61, Thank you for your detailed comments and for taking the time to explain your concerns here on the talk page. I appreciate that, and I understand the points you raise regarding verification, source quality, and article scope.

The intention behind these additions was not to create confusion or to force a particular interpretation, but to address what, from the label’s perspective, has for some time been an incomplete or misleading public picture surrounding C-BLOCK and its later developments.

In particular, there has for years been a public association of Rob Money with the original C-BLOCK in a way that, from the rights holder’s perspective, does not accurately reflect the historical and legal situation. Because C-BLOCK has a large international fan base, DunaBeats considers it important that significant misunderstandings of this kind are corrected where possible, and that readers are given a clearer distinction between historical membership, later performance formats, and current official presentations.

With regard to Bock Legal, I understand the objection that the cited pages do not themselves publicly display the underlying legal details. That is a fair concern. The reason they were cited is that, according to the label, the relevant legal matters are documented, even if not published in full on the firm’s website. I accept that this may not be sufficient for Wikipedia’s verification standard in its present form, and that stronger publicly accessible sourcing would be preferable.

That said, the core point that Frank Müller founded C-BLOCK is, in my understanding, not seriously in dispute. The issue is therefore less about inventing a new claim and more about how later developments, trademark matters, and current project structures can be described in a way that satisfies Wikipedia’s sourcing requirements.

On the question of FM C-BLOCK Project, I would respectfully suggest that this is not simply a completely unrelated new act. From the label’s perspective, it represents a continuation or later development within the wider C-BLOCK history, while also requiring differentiation in format and presentation. That is why I believed it was relevant to the main article context. At the same time, I understand your point that Wikipedia may need to distinguish more clearly between the original 1990s formation, later legacy-related activity, and current formats.

I also accept the point that official press kits are primary sources and should be treated with caution. My intention was not to present them as independent evidence for everything, but as relevant primary material for how the founder and rights holder describes the current formation and its relationship to the historic project.

As to the question of conflict of interest, I understand why that concern has been raised. My intention here is not promotional, but corrective: where there has been longstanding public confusion, I believe it is reasonable to try to improve the accuracy of the record. Still, I recognize that on Wikipedia the best way forward is not assertion, but careful sourcing and neutral wording.

For that reason, I am very open to improving the wording, removing anything that is not adequately sourced, and working toward a version that is both factually fair and consistent with Wikipedia policy.

Thank you again for raising the matter here. I’m looking forward to hear from you.Ben BenDunaBen (talk) 20:52, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

@BenDunaBen: My main concern here is that we are creating a new article about a new band that just happens to share a similar name with an old band. The original C-BLOCK appears to have been mildly successful and notable, whereas the new FM C-BLOCK Project does not appear to be notable in any way. I do not believe this article should be cluttered with information about the non-notable band, and should be restricted to information about the group that disbanded in 2000. If you can make a legitimate argument that the new project deserves a Wikipedia article, try creating Draft:FM C-BLOCK Project and submit it through the articles for creation project. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 21:37, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

Dear Dan,

thank you for your thoughtful reply. I do understand your point.

However, if you have the time to look at the DunaBeats C-BLOCK material, you will find the 2015 release. From this perspective, C-BLOCK did not simply end and then reappear as something entirely unrelated. The timeline is, in Franky Miller’s view, continuous: from the original foundation in 1995 through later releases, including the third album in 2010, the C-BLOCK Remix activity in 2015, and the current project structure.

For that reason, the label and the fans of C-BLOCK does not view FM C-BLOCK Project as a completely new and separate band, but as part of an uninterrupted C-BLOCK line continuing from 1995 to the present day through Franky Miller, the founder. In that sense, it is not a different brand that merely resembles the old one, but a later development of the same brand and project history under the authority of its founder.

From the fana perspective, Franky Miller, as founder of C-BLOCK, is also the only person with the authority to determine who is or is not an official C-BLOCK member. At present, Elena Nikolaeva and Franky Miller are the only current C-BLOCK stage members in the present formation.

At the same time, I do understand the concern that Wikipedia should avoid confusing the historical group, the back catalogue, and the current format. In fact, that is exactly why a distinction is necessary. For the fan base, it is important to distinguish between the classic C-BLOCK catalogue and the newer format, because otherwise the history and the present structure become unclear.

I will nevertheless try to move FM C-BLOCK Project into a separate page if that is the better editorial solution. My only point is that it cannot really stand without reference to the core C-BLOCK article, because legally and historically there has only been one C-BLOCK from 1995 to today, with an ongoing line through Franky Miller.

I would simply ask that this be presented as correctly and neutrally as possible. It may well be an unusual case in band history, but that is precisely why I believe the continuity and the distinction both need to be described carefully. Warm regards Ben BenDunaBen (talk) 22:07, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

@BenDunaBen: Franky Miller's view is not really relevant here, as it is clear he wants people to perceive a single line from the popular band of the late 90s and his current project, but it's a hard argument to make that a Black trio of hip-hop performers in the late 90s and the current project of two white performers producing non-hip-hop is the same act. Since you and I appear unable to come to an agreement on this matter, I'm going to ask for a third opinion to see if we can break this stalemate. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:40, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

Dear Dan,

thank you for your thoughtful reply. I am genuinely very grateful that, in order to allow for a more balanced and better-informed assessment, you are inviting another Wikipedia administrator to provide an additional view. I very much appreciate that approach.

Just as a small factual clarification: the original recording of “So Strung Out” also featured a separate female vocalist, Raquel Gomez, white european performer, who is credited for the vocals in reference sources connected with the track.

In addition, contemporaneous video material from 1996 indicates that the live presentation of the song was not limited solely to the rap performers, but also included a European-type female stage performer. For that reason, the description of the act in relation to this particular record as only a “Black trio of hip-hop performers” appears somewhat incomplete. See: 1996 video material.

Separately, third-party media coverage has described FM C-BLOCK Project as a modern continuation of the C-BLOCK legacy centered around founder Franky Miller, combining the original heritage with a contemporary live and electronic format: Novinata article.

I appreciate that this may not by itself resolve the wider editorial question, but I thought it might still be useful context in the interest of accuracy, balance, and fairness.

Warm regards, Ben BenDunaBen (talk) 14:38, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

@BenDunaBen: The so-called third-party media coverage from Novinata reads more like an advertisement for the FM C-BLOCK Project than a legitimate review. I would not give this source a great deal of credence. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 14:52, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

You are generally right. The piece appears promotional, and that is why I did not use it as a citation in the Wikipedia article. The press release originated from Yonka Maximova, who also organized the C-BLOCK concerts, but the label had no control over the newspaper’s editorial decision to publish it. My only point is that the newspaper would not normally publish material it considered false, so it may have limited relevance in that respect. For transparency, I am assisting the label in this matter on an unpaid basis. Warm regrads Ben BenDunaBen (talk) 17:19, 8 April 2026 (UTC)

Dear Dan, I have now implemented your comments and reduced it to the necessary information for the fans. In addition, a factual, neutral, and Wikipedia-compliant information page about the FM C-BLOCK Project will be created shortly. Thank you for your great help to understand better the regulations and compliance of Wikipedia. warm regards Ben

The new text:

"According to the C-BLOCK label, the formation originally launched by C-BLOCK founder Franky Miller in 1995 has continued since 2026 under the name FM C-BLOCK Project with Elena Nikolaeva and Franky Miller, and has resumed live appearances. According to the label, castings are currently being held for an authorized C-BLOCK Legacy Project, and discussions are being conducted with Rob Money in this regard." BenDunaBen (talk) 06:30, 9 April 2026 (UTC)

Note: A request for a 3rd party opinion has been posted to WP:Third_opinion. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:45, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

• 3^rd Opinion: Howdy doody, friendly uninvolved editor stopping by from 3o. I have read the article and all of the arguments here a couple times and my opinions are:

• First: You need to declare your Conflict of Interest clearly on your user page @BenDunaBen, this is non-negotiable.
• Second: The number of cited articles that don't support the text and authors that don't exist give me LLM vibes
• Third: That combined with the declared CoI and promotional tone make me need to have good sources for this to be included on Wikipedia and those haven't been provided yet.
• Fourth: If these good sources are found then the most recent suggestion by BenDunaBen is a decent place to start @WikiDan61

Moritoriko (talk) 04:19, 10 April 2026 (UTC)