Talk:Black Square

Requested move 25 February 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Silikonz💬 14:38, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

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• Black Square (painting) → Black Square
• Black Square → Black Square (disambiguation)

– Clear primary topic with 96% of pageviews and dominance of search results. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 06:10, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nomination. The five other entries listed upon the Black Square disambiguation page are directly or indirectly named after Malevich's work. Even the entry under "See also" — Blackout Tuesday — depicts the same image. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 06:42, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support per nom. It's a hugely influential (ie primary) painting, that almost singlehandly lead to minimalism. To note, we also have "Black Circle", and the necessarily dabbed "Red Square (painting)". Ceoil (talk) 06:52, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Change of nationality of the artist

I propose changing the description of Kazimir Malevich from "Russian avant-garde artist" to "Ukrainian and Russian avant-garde artist".

The current wording "Russian artist" is not entirely accurate. While Malevich indeed worked for a long time within the territory of modern Russia and made a great contribution to its cultural development, several scholarly sources also emphasize his Ukrainian background and identity.

Malevich was born in Kyiv, which is now the capital of Ukraine, and during 1928–1930 he taught at the Kyiv Institute of Art. Some of his works were inspired by Ukrainian themes. For example, the "Peasant Cycle" was inspired by Ukrainian village life, and the graphite drawing "Where There is a Hammer and Sickle, There is Death and Hunger" depicts the famine in Ukraine caused by Soviet collectivization.

According to research by Gasper Hulvat, Malevich identified his nationality as "Ukrainian" during his arrest in 1930. Other scholars also note that he described his heritage as Ukrainian-Polish.

It is worth noting that Russian researchers generally consider him a Russian avant-garde artist, while Ukrainian researchers describe him as a Ukrainian avant-garde artist. Therefore, to reflect both perspectives and avoid one-sided interpretation, I propose using the neutral phrasing "Ukrainian and Russian avant-garde artist".

Чічка (не Аіака) (talk) 17:39, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. NotJamestack (talk) 12:32, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

Okay, thank you for the feedback! I’ll start a discussion to reach consensus first. Чічка (не Аіака) (talk) 19:49, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

Changing of nationality of the artist

I propose changing the description of Kazimir Malevich from "Russian avant-garde artist" to "Ukrainian and Russian avant-garde artist".

The current wording "Russian artist" is not entirely accurate. While Malevich indeed worked for a long time within the territory of modern Russia and made a great contribution to its cultural development, several scholarly sources also emphasize his Ukrainian background and identity.

Malevich was born in Kyiv, which is now the capital of Ukraine, and during 1928–1930 he taught at the Kyiv Institute of Art. Some of his works were inspired by Ukrainian themes. For example, the "Peasant Cycle" was inspired by Ukrainian village life, and the graphite drawing "Where There is a Hammer and Sickle, There is Death and Hunger" depicts the famine in Ukraine caused by Soviet collectivization.

According to research by Gasper Hulvat, Malevich identified his nationality as "Ukrainian" during his arrest in 1930. Other scholars also note that he described his heritage as Ukrainian-Polish.

It is worth noting that Russian researchers generally consider him a Russian avant-garde artist, while Ukrainian researchers describe him as a Ukrainian avant-garde artist. Therefore, to reflect both perspectives and avoid one-sided interpretation, I propose using the neutral phrasing "Ukrainian and Russian avant-garde artist".

(talk) 20:01, 5 November 2025 (UTC)