Talk:Biola University

Notable alum?

Can anyone clarify minimum qualifications? Oldfredbear (talk) 01:31, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Our advice for college and university articles has this advice for "Notable people" sections:

This section should give a sense of the extent to which persons with well-known deeds or highly significant accomplishments are or have been associated with the school (as by attendance there or by being on staff or faculty). For most schools this might take the form of a list of people meeting Wikipedia's notability standards (each with perhaps a very brief descriptive phrase), where such a list would not be excessively long. For very old, very large, or very prestigious schools it may be more appropriate to use categories ("Alumni of", "Faculty of", etc. note that "Alumni" categories are only for former students, including graduates; current students are not considered alumni) instead, limiting the explicit list to very well-known persons (heads of state, historical figures, etc.) and adding a narrative summary of statistics on such things as Nobel Prizes, other prestigious awards, and so on.

That advice is a bit outdated as our notability guideline explicitly does not determine the contents of articles. But the general sense - include people who are very well known or very accomplished - is still accurate. The specific person that you are seeking to include doesn't seem to meet either of those criteria. ElKevbo (talk) 01:55, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

So a degreed professor, who is publicly fighting against voter fraud and suppression, and ran a tight race for one of the top political seats in her state, doesn't qualify as being as notable as a YouTube channel owner? Oldfredbear (talk) 02:02, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

It would help your case if this person had their own article. And if there is material in this article that you don't think belongs then free to remove it. ElKevbo (talk) 03:50, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Kristina is now the head of the Michigan Republican Party. Surely we can consider that a notable position worthy of recognition? Oldfredbear (talk) 00:54, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Karamo

Hey, @Oldfredbear, this is a BLP issue. Please don't add back without discussing here first. Valereee (talk) 13:04, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

So is CNN a reliable source, how about her own podcast? Kristina is speaking up about issues that are relevant to the Christian population and is definitely part of what makes her a notable alum of this Christian University.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/11/politics/kfile-michigan-gop-chair-kristina-karamo-comments/index.html Oldfredbear (talk) 14:24, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

CNN is a RS, but this IMO is WP:UNDUE for a list of notable alums. She's got bizarre opinions on multiple issues, and this is just one. IMO in such lists, unless there's something that truly stands out, we simply list her as what she is: the GOP party leader for Michigan. I don't think we should be linking Christianity to it at all. Valereee (talk) 16:12, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man. This aggression will not stand, man. Oldfredbear (talk) 19:34, 10 July 2023 (UTC)