Talk:Bill Gutteron

Notability

@Let'srun: Clearly someone who has significant coverage and played multiple National Football League games is notable. There is no requirement that numerous significant coverage pieces must be in the article at all times, only that there need be one. Newspapers.com has plenty of other coverage available. Also please note that Template:Notability states that "The template must not be re-added. Please do not edit war over it. Questions of notability can be resolved through discussion or through Wikipedia:Articles for deletion." You may take this to AFD if you believe it to be non-notable. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:53, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

GA review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Bill Gutteron/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: BeanieFan11 (talk · contribs) 22:27, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

Reviewer: WikiOriginal-9 (talk · contribs) 05:38, 27 September 2025 (UTC)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Comments

• Full name in body.
  • Done.
• Added many cats.
• Add high school to infobox.
  • Done.
• Added navbox.
• "after breaking his leg" again
  • Done.
• Do you know which Alhambra High School that is?
  • Looks like it was Alhambra High School (Alhambra, California), based on articles referring to the George Hobbs-coached team as the "Moors", which is their team name (Gutteron was assistant to Hobbs). Thus, I linked it.

Spot checks

• Ref 1 looks good
• Ref 6 looks good. I noticed this ref said his five year tenure ended at Bellefonte Academy after the school went bankrupt. That's probably worth adding?
  • Added.
• Ref 8 looks good
• Ref 12 looks good
• Ref 13 looks good

Nice work! ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 05:38, 27 September 2025 (UTC)

• @WikiOriginal-9: BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:29, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

  Looks good. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 19:30, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Dclemens1971 talk 23:11, 25 October 2025 (UTC)

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Gutteron, c. 1925

• ... that NFL player Bill Gutteron (pictured) also taught 50,000 people how to swim?

• Source: Centre Daily Times ("But he will, if pressed, admit that since 1920 he has had a hand in teaching at least 50,000 youngsters how to swim.")

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kyōka Moriya
  • Comment: To do QPQ within a day or two.

5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 422 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:09, 2 October 2025 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting:
• Other problems: - The source appears to be indicating that the 50,000 figure is coming from the article subject himself - I'm not a huge fan of stating this in wikivoice without attribution. While Gutteron probably knew better than anybody else about how many people he had taught to swim, it's still not great to be presenting people's exceptional claims about themselves in wikivoice without attribution. Hog Farm _Talk 00:28, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: The image isn't stricly problematic, but although I personally wouldn't advise running this as an image hook as this a fairly generic image of an old-timey football player and is grainy and rather unexceptional. Hog Farm _Talk 00:28, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

• @Hog Farm: Perhaps something like, " ALT1: ... that NFL player Bill Gutteron was later a swimming teacher who claimed to have taught 50,000 people how to swim? ", or " ALT2: ... that NFL player Bill Gutteron was later a swimming teacher who reportedly taught 50,000 people how to swim? ", or " ALT3: ... that NFL player Bill Gutteron estimated that he taught 50,000 people how to swim?" BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:40, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
  • with the proposed wording changes; my personal preference is for the "according to his count" phrasing. Hog Farm _Talk 00:36, 25 October 2025 (UTC)