Talk:Biledulgerid

Eh...

If this actually was a place, which it wasn't, what was its actual name, ruling dynasty, ethnicity, precise location, etc?

This is one source and this another that might be used to figure out if this is talking about early modern Morocco, Algeria, Mauritania, or some combination of them. Once that's settled here, this article—presumably about 1700s and 1800s European misunderstandings of the region—should be mentioned and linked from the relevant actual places and polities. A source for some of the misconceptions. — LlywelynII 13:18, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

this article briefly discusses this. Apparently a European butchering of the Arabic bilad al-jarid, which may be a useful search term... Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 17:43, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

That's already in the article. But what did that term mean to which Arabs, which territory did it cover, was it a state or group of nomads or a region, and how did it relate to the European (mis)use of the name? The linked article may have some of those answers (thanks!) but is behind a paywall. — LlywelynII 00:01, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Not being an expert, but doing a quick stroll through google books, they either call it a country, though most an area in North Africa, which most western geographers could not decide exactly where it was. However on the Catalan version of wikipedia [] has a far better explanation: The first conquest of the region that the Arabs called Bilad al-Jarid was in 647 by Ibn Zuhayr . A second conquest took place in 669 by Uqba ibn Nafi . The region was called Qastíliya in the Middle Ages.

The modern area is located in Tunisia. Davidstewartharvey (talk) 05:55, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

"Mosselemis"

in the article is definitely talking about a tribal group but, whoever they were, that isn't their actual modern name. We should fix it once we can pin down who was meant. The nearest I could find was that other writers of the period also wrote "Monselmines", the "Moslemyn", and the "Mosaylamyn" and said they were camped around Cape Bojador. That might fit the Masmuda but might be a separate group since I couldn't find a source just making a connection to modern people. — LlywelynII 00:01, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

The connection is obvious to me. The modern term Muslims has multiple older variants, including "muslimun", "mussulman", "muselmanes". Texts and maps about the region of Biledulgerid are usually from the 15th to the 17th century, and were mostly translations from various languages into various other languages (mostly Latin, but also French, German, Italian, Spanish and English texts), adding to the variants in spelling. That these texts would claim that the region was inhabitated by muslims, is hardly surprising. --Enyavar (talk) 08:12, 21 May 2025 (UTC)