Talk:Beden

Need of a picture

I believe this article would be significantly improved by the addition of a picture of a bedan 173.224.8.183 (talk) 17:36, 04 July 2013 (UTC)

Why with capital B?

All boat names not derived from personal name or toponym are written small. Arminden (talk) 11:43, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

In Roberta Morano (2022), "Diachronic Variation in the Omani Arabic Vernacular of the Al-ʿAwābī District: From Carl Reinhardt (1894) to the Present Day", U. of Cambridge, it simply states:

beden 'boat', pl. bdāne

So it simply means boat. That's perhaps only the case in one dialect, but is it?

Two more very serious RS write it small:

• Cooper, John P.; Ghidoni, Alessandro; Zazzaro, Chiara; & Ombrato, Luigi (2020). Sewn boats in the Qatar Museums collection, Doha: baggāras and kettuvallams as records of a western Indian Ocean technological tradition. International Journal of Nautical Archaeology, 49(2), pp. 371–405, doi:10.1111/1095-9270.12422. Uses italics, beden.
• Alessandro Ghidoni (U. of Exeter), 2019, Building Pâris’ Beden Seyad: a replica of the Omani 19th‐century sewn fishing vessel - see abstract -, Sep 2019, International Journal of Nautical Archaeology 48(2), pp. 360-376, doi:10.1111/1095-9270.12366. Maybe the italics are lost in the abstract, but still.

And finally, Cardona is very clear:

beden 'a fishing boat' < A[rabic] badan

cf. Prins 1965, p. 281, Sw[ahili] bedeni

From Cardona G. R. (1988). "Somalia and the Indian Ocean: Cultural and Linguistic Contacts". In Bugielli A. (ed.), Proceedings of the Third International Congress of Somali Studies, pp. 22–35 [27]. Rome, Italy: Il Pensiero Scientifico.

So an Arabic common noun which made it into Somali etc. Badan is not spelled with a cap either. I see no reason for capital B whatsoever in the Somali word.

At Ancient maritime history beden is spelled small, but it's unsourced. At Maritime history of Somalia it jumps back snd forth. I will fix them. Arminden (talk) 12:45, 8 May 2025 (UTC)