Talk:Battle of Saint-Cast

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User:Anvib

Well, let us break it down: 3,000 remained on the beach at the final moment of the battle, 300 Frenchmen attacked them as they boarded the ships. So what is wrong? Before that, there was a firefight with the ships. The source you cited copies the text from Wikipedia.
I see you have already realized the mistake. But you still removed the sailors, even though the battle was also fought against British ships, which obviously means that not only 300 Frenchmen were involved; and the French artillery bombarded the British army as well. Military history RUS (talk) 03:43, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

the subject of the article is the action on the beach between the British rear guard numbering 1,500, + approximately 1,500 British stragglers and the French attacking force. The total British force numbered approximately 10,000 men, obviously the vast majority of these had no part in the battle. 34,000 sailors did not take part in the battle either, in the descriptions of the battle it says the British ships could not even get close enough to the shore. You keep saying that only 300 French took part, that might be the case, but that does not change the British number. Furthermore as I already mentioned, it cannot be the case that only 300 French took part because that would mean they suffered more than 100% casualties, which is obviously nonsensical. Its clear that various nationalistic accounts have muddied the waters about this battle over the centuries, but its only likely that a few hundred on either side actually did any fighting on the day of the battle. Anvib (talk) 04:09, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

You do not need this dubious source about maps you provided. Everything is already cited in the article. And it is written right there that there was an exchange of fire between the British fleet and the French artillery. Also, yes, the French pursued the stragglers, and, in this case, it is not said specifically about these 300 grenadiers. The French suffered 300 casualties during this pursuit. Obviously, even more than 300 were ultimately engaged. In short, everything needs to be restored to the way it was. To the overall numbers, including sailors. Military history RUS (talk) 04:18, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

You are the one claiming the French numbered 300, after misreading or misunderstanding what happened in the battle. The battle is the action on the beach - nothing else. 35,000 sailors obviously did not take part in the battle, that is nonsense, its not historical and does not give a true reflection of what happened. You are trying to add some sort of nationalism to this, which is not necessary, it just needs to be a true reflection of the battle which in reality involved no more than 2,000 men on either side. Its a skirmish between a rear guard, stragglers and a French attacking force. And no, a cannonade does not involve 50,000 men Anvib (talk) 04:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

Listen, I apologize, but you should keep playing your chess game. I never wrote that 300 grenadiers were involved in the entire battle, only in the final part. We have information cited in the article about the total number of sailors, precisely around 35,000 [UPD: In fact, the article lists 32,500 as the total known number of sailors, but an editor probably rounded it up.]
You are again making up that they were all engaged, which is not true, as you said. This is the overall number as I stated. The total number from both sides, as it should be. And what the hell is nationalism here?... Please return it to how it was. Military history RUS (talk) 05:27, 14 February 2026 (UTC)