Talk:Barry Burton/GA2

GA Review

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Nominator: Boneless Pizza! (talk · contribs) 11:30, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Crisco 1492 (talk · contribs) 22:06, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

• Glad to see 1996's single greatest fountain of memes here at GAN. I'll be happy to take this review. I may make comments that are not strictly part of the GA criteria. I will flag them as such, and please be advised that they will not affect the pass/fail decision. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:06, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Media review

• File:Barry Burton.png - Technically this is concept art rather than a render. Is this the best illustration for Barry? There's also the PS1 model, the GC model, and the Revelations 2 model.
• File:Barry Dialogue.mp3 - I'm not sure the last sentence, "Barry, thanks for saving my life." is strictly necessary for an understanding of the Jill Sandwich line. I can see an argument for him opening the door and then the dialogue up through "You're right", but the rest of it... thoughts?

For the description, "An eleven second excerpt of in-game dialogue from the original Resident Evil game, which achieved popularity." doesn't really show what the reader should expect and how it ties in with the discussion. I expected the sandwich, as I'm familiar with the game, but I also thought it could have been "master of unlocking"... and people who come to this article with no existing knowledge wouldn't know what to expect. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:06, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Character model has been changed now. I decided to remove the 2nd media for being complicated. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 04:29, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

Prose review

• Lede could probably be reworked to be two paragraphs. None of the paragraphs are particularly lengthy or detailed.

Done

• Barry Burton was introduced in Capcom's 1996 survival horror video game Resident Evil. The character was originally created by director Shinji Mikami and designer Isao Ohishi. - Two things. One, "originally created" is redundant, as a creation happens once. Second, it feels like these sentences could be fruitfully merged

Done

• Burton also took on some of the story elements previously intended for Gelzer, such as supporting the ceiling in the shotgun trap area to save the player from being crushed. - Might want to rephrase here. Burton kicks the door open and rushes Jill out; he doesn't support the ceiling at any point. Also, I don't think the sentence makes it clear enough to the reader that the ceiling is descending. Maybe something like "Burton also took on some of the story elements previously intended for Gelzer, such as rescuing Valentine from being crushed in a locked room with a descending ceiling"?

Replaced

• Initially, Iwao wanted Burton to be a black character, but his final design became white after opposition from designer Hideki Kamiya. - Do the sources distinguish between the initial design of Barry as Black and the scrapped character Dewey?

I think it distinguishes. The source says this

"CH: Two characters were scrapped, a cyborg named Gelzer and Dewey. How did these characters come about?"

"KI: It was me who wrote Gelzer and Dewey. I didn't remove Dewey but I recall removing Gelzer. While I wrote them I thought that they lacked a horror image, and were far too strong compared to the zombies, thus lacking in reality. I initially wanted to make Barry black, but Kamiya was strongly opposed, so I made him white." 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 04:00, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

• While making Resident Evil: Revelations 2, Michiteru Okabe responded to Burton's popularity by adding his daughter, Moira, as a playable character. - What is the direct relevance in the "Concept and design" section? We haven't introduced Barry's family. If they stated that they drew on elements of Barry's model for Moira, that would make sense, but otherwise this could be plot-related.

Moved to appeareances

• Who voiced Barry in Resident Evil 3? He had... like three lines, and I don't know if they're credited, but he did make a voiced appearance in one ending.

Apparently it is listed as "uncredited". 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 04:32, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

• That's a shame.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:03, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

• colleagues - This is a bit of an easter egg; average reader wouldn't expect a link to the prequel here.

Added "In RE Zero" at the end.

• working more closely with the player character if they select Jill Valentine. - Reads a bit akwardly. Maybe make it explicit; he acts as the secondary protagonist in a Jill Valentine campaign

Attempted to reword it

• Burton returns in Resident Evil 3: Nemesis (1999), where he helps Valentine and Carlos Oliveira escape from Raccoon City as it is destroyed. - As this is only one ending (of... four?), perhaps make it clearer. "Burton returns in Resident Evil 3: Nemesis (1999); depending on the player's decisions, he may appear to help Valentine and Carlos Oliveira escape from Raccoon City as it is destroyed."

Replaced

• Several comic books based on the games were released - Perhaps make it explicit that Burton appears in these.

Reworded

• big confused cult-wielding teddy bear - I guarantee that was Colt-wielding, because of Barry's use of the Colt Python

Oops, reworded

• Not a GA criterion: Agree with the previous reviewer that there is a bit of an overemphasis on direct quotations. Might be worth revisiting if you want to bring Barry to FAC.

I don't have any plans to bring this one to FAC due to lack of info and reliable sources at dev section along.

• Do any of the references mention Capcom's continued use of "Master of Unlocking" in RE games? Or other games (Last of Us had a master of unlocking trophy, of the games I've played, and apparently The Evil Within and Tacoma both made similar references).

I did press ctrl + F and found no mention at all.

• I know Gaiden is non-canon, but given that Barry and Leon have protagonist roles, is it worth having a one-line summary?

Done

• Genesis was 2008 (Posted: Jan 18, 2008 6:51 pm)

I thought it was 2001, my bad. Replaced

• Given the brevity of information on the spinoffs, would it be worth including the mobile games and the other media in a single section? Otherwise, #Other media is only a couple sentences.

Merged it and renamed into "Other appearances" to match other articles.

Source review

• Spotchecks based on this revision.
• 5a through d: Supported, though with the caveat that Barry didn't really hold up the ceiling. The Meme History page better recounts what happens in that room.
• 7: Supported
• 17: Supports part of the sentence. I suppose the remainder support the rest.
• 20: Year is incorrect.

Really? It says "Updated: May 12, 2012 6:44 pm / Posted: Jan 18, 2008 12:51 pm" So, I think posted is the original one. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 04:02, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

• This was the same as the 2001 comment above.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:03, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

• 26: Supported, though in an image rather than the running text.
• 33: Technically, the source says it peaked in 2007, which implies that it was around before.

Not sure what to replace, I apologize for this one.

• Hmm... I think it works well enough as is. The meme may have been around in 2006, but we can't support that with a reference. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:03, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

• 43: Seems to indicate that both the sandwich and unlocking lines were removed, rather than just one.

Do you think I should removed this one?

No, just rewording it should work. Did this one. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:03, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

Summary

• Prose is a bit rough in places, but there are some good bones. See my comments above. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:06, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Crisco 1492 I really apologize, but I think I'm gonna give up with this article. It needs a lot of work unlike Leon S. Kennedy, and the worst part is he lacks reliable sources/infos at concept and creation section. Thank you for reviewing though! 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 12:09, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  Hi Boneless Pizza!, I don't think it's that far from the GA criteria. Could you confirm that you want to withdraw this? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:22, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  Wait, ill think about it. Maybe I can work this in weekend. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 21:07, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  Alright, sounds good. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:14, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  Chris Woodrich Nvm, I do have time for today and attempted to resolve all of your issues. Comments above 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 04:14, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

  Hi Boneless Pizza!, I think the edits bring this up to the GA level. Happy to pass this! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:03, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.