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a question of number
[edit]- The eldest daughter among four sisters
Ambiguous: is she one of four sisters, or (a bit less likely but still a legitimate interpretation) does she have four sisters? —Tamfang (talk) 02:03, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Weiss's sexuality
[edit]She doesn't like to label herself, yet Weiss is put in the "Bisexual women" and "Bisexual writers" categories at the bottom. Is that appropriate?Mcc1789 (talk) 03:00, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Considering she has been married to both men and women, yes lol ~2026-52630-0 (talk) 19:26, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
"Also in 2018, she criticized the #MeToo movement"
[edit]What a stupid and empty sentence. Here is the source[1], and it says the criticized "excesses of" the #MeToo movement. That is slightly better, but still not worth citing. People, please, never write "X criticized Y". That is bad style and says nothing. In most cases, that supposed criticism is just disagreement and should be called that. When it is not, you need to say which aspect exactly was criticized.
Maybe that source can used for something else, that is why I moved it here instead of deleting it. --Hob Gadling (talk) 08:18, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
References
- ↑ French, David (March 8, 2018). "The Sliming of Bari Weiss". National Review. Archived from the original on March 30, 2019. Retrieved July 19, 2018.
Second marriage
[edit]The "Personal life" section says, "As of 2021, the two [Weiss and Nellie Bowles] are engaged", but the "spouses" section of the infobox states, "Nellie Bowles (m. 2021)". Which one is correct? JezGrove (talk) 20:06, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
The New Seven Dirty Words?
[edit]Has this book been published? I found early mentions of deals with publishers Holt and Crown, but no later mentions (other than on Goodreads) of its actually having been published. – Kekki1978 (talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 14:57, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
Recent sources with significant coverage
[edit]The following are some recent sources with significant coverage that may be worth incorporating and for evaluating appropriate weight to devote to various elements of Weiss' biography. --Animalparty! (talk) 20:58, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
- Bruell, Alexandra (November 30, 2023). "Bari Weiss's Surging News Startup Lures Readers Miffed at Media Coverage of Israel". Wall Street Journal.
- Smith, Ben (December 18, 2022). "Can Bari Weiss bite the hand that feeds her?". Semafor.
- Svetkey, Benjamin (December 22, 2022). "Bari Weiss's L.A. Adventure". Los Angeles.
- Levin, Doron (January 4, 2023). "Next Dor: Alternative Journalism". The Detroit Jewish News.
- Marriott, James (February 17, 2023). "Bari Weiss: the queen of free speech and anti-woke warrior". The Times.
Source to improve the article
[edit]This secondary source would seem to have good background on the recent years of Bari Weiss' career, as she has left the New York Times and moved to editing and publishing via the Free Press. How Bari Weiss broke the media, New Statesman, 23 February 2023.
Unfortunately, it is behind a paywall, so not easily accessible. Anyone have Wikipedia-access and might be able to take a look? N2e (talk) 13:03, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
Refaat Alareer feud and death
[edit]On October 30, 2023, Weiss posted a thread on Twitter attacking The New York Times for platforming Palestinian voices critical of Israel.[1] Weiss specifically singled out Palestinian writer and activist, Refaat Alareer for a comment he made about debunked Israeli atrocity propaganda related to the 2023 Israel-Hamas war.[2][3] In response to Weiss’ tweet, which went viral, Alareer warned, “If I get killed by Israeli bombs or my family is harmed, I blame Bari Weiss [...] Many maniacal Israeli soldiers already bombing Gaza take these lies and smears seriously and they act upon them”.[4] Alareer attached a screenshot of his inbox showing an influx of direct messages from users threatening his life.[5] On December 8 2023, Alareer and his entire family were killed by an Israeli airstrike.[6] Alareer’s death prompted widespread backlash on social media against Weiss with tens of thousands of users accusing her of putting a target on his back. “Bari Weiss” was Twitter’s top trending topic in the News section for the day. Weiss has not acknowledged Alareer’s death.
The above paragraph recently added and then removed from her bio. It is likely a notable incident, but it isn't yet covered in mainstream news, rather just on Twitter as it is a current event, so I suggest we keep it out of the main article until it has proper mainstream coverage and then we can rework it based on that coverage. -- Wardsback3321 (talk) 16:04, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- Agreed. Someone who's wrong on the internet (talk) 18:33, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- Is it even notable? She sent a single tweet. His blaming her for further responses based off of one trivial interaction doesn't seem to rise to the level that would merit inclusion in an article. TracingWoodgrains (talk) 20:03, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- I vote to KEEP this paragraph and am disappointed to see it removed so quickly. Keep it for now. Do not remove things that are sourced. We can add references over time. And remember, this is not a fan page. This page should not be locked up. You are locking it because you don't want democratic processes to take place. Myatrrcc (talk) 23:35, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- Here is some coverage of the situation so far. I hope to see this paragraph incorporated back into the article. Let's be honest. Bari Weiss had never trended more on Twitter than today. Myatrrcc (talk) 00:28, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- I vote to KEEP this paragraph and am disappointed to see it removed so quickly. Keep it for now. Do not remove things that are sourced. We can add references over time. And remember, this is not a fan page. This page should not be locked up. You are locking it because you don't want democratic processes to take place. Myatrrcc (talk) 23:35, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- I've never been on twitter and I've heard of it through the media. In fact I came to wp to see if it was mentioned. Not surprised that it wasn't. That led me to this wp underbelly. 2600:1011:B32E:79A4:710B:241F:514F:12 (talk) 09:46, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
https://thecurrent.pk/palestinian-poet-dr-refaat-alareer-killed-in-israeli-strike-in-gaza/
Who is censoring this page?
[edit]Why is this page locked to the point where I am unable to make edits? Some interesting edits were made to the page. Is this a Bari Weiss fan page or something?Myatrrcc (talk) 23:34, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- This page was placed under extended confirmed protection. Separately, tweets are not reliable sources except under narrow circumstances which don't really apply here. Also, Wikipedia is not a democracy. As for my own take on this, having something trend on twitter might be a good rationale to talk about it on twitter. But Wikipedia isn't twitter, and it isn't a stenograph of things that happen on twitter. If it is picked up in reliable sources, then we should include something on it, though perhaps not at the level of detail as the above. Einsof (talk) 01:21, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- "Terrible things are happening outside. Poor helpless people are being dragged out of their home. Families are torn apart. Men, women, and children are separated. Children come home from school to find that their parents have disappeared."
- -Diary of Anne Frank, January 13, 1943 ~2026-34937-7 (talk) 23:32, 16 January 2026 (UTC)
- Another problem with the proposed Refaat Aleer text is that it is far too long and would constitute undue weight per WP:UNDUE, so it would probably be a neutrality violation. Coretheapple (talk) 16:55, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- There are plenty of articles documenting Bari Weiss's role in Alareer's assassination, which is now known to have been targeted by the IDF. However, you lock up this page because you don't want anyone to know the truth. Shame on you!
https://thecurrent.pk/palestinian-poet-dr-refaat-alareer-killed-in-israeli-strike-in-gaza/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3cmxyfgWxA Myatrrcc (talk) 02:27, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
Reflist
[edit]References
- ↑ Weiss, Bari. "Bari Weiss on Twitter: "If you thought that the Hitler-loving reporter in Gaza was the only scandal @nytimes, think again."". X (formerly Twitter). Archived from the original on 2023-10-30. Retrieved 2023-12-08.
- ↑ Weiss, Bari. "Bari Weiss on Twitter: "Here is Refaat Alareer joking about whether or not an Israeli baby, burned alive in an oven, was cooked "with or without baking powder."". X (formerly Twitter). Archived from the original on 2023-10-30. Retrieved 2023-12-08.
- ↑ Hasson, Nir and Liza Rozovsky (2023-12-04). "Hamas Committed Documented Atrocities. But a Few False Stories Feed the Deniers". Haaretz. Archived from the original on 2023-12-05. Retrieved 2023-12-08.
- ↑ Alareer, Refaat (2023-10-30). "Refaat Alareer on Twitter: "If I get killed by Israeli bombs or my family is harmed, I blame Bari Weiss @bariweiss and her likes."". X (formerly Twitter). Archived from the original on 2023-12-07. Retrieved 2023-12-08.
- ↑ Alareer, Refaat (2023-10-30). "Refaat Alareer on Twitter: "If I get killed by Israeli bombs or my family is harmed, I blame Bari Weiss @bariweiss and her likes."". X (formerly Twitter). Archived from the original on 2023-12-07. Retrieved 2023-12-08.
- ↑ Sheehan, Dan (2023-12-07). "Poet and scholar Refaat Alareer has been killed by an Israeli airstrike". Literary Hub. Retrieved 2023-12-08.
Mistaken word choice.
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- What I think should be changed (format using {{textdiff}}): As of 2024, Weiss had visited Israel over 15 times, including after the October 7 attacks, and described pro-Israel social media commentators to former Soviet refusenik Natan Sharansky, whose years in prison made him an icon of the movement to free Jews from the Soviet Union.[78]
The word “described” ought to be something like “compared.”
- Why it should be changed: “Compared to” would make sense. “Described to” doesn’t in this context.
- References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button): No citation needed. Just read the sentence to see if it makes sense.
Jkalm (talk) 02:40, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
References
Done thank you for your suggestion! Confirmed it is valid based off what the source is saying. Staraction (talk | contribs) 04:29, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! Jkalm (talk) 02:21, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Can someone add a photo
[edit]Can someone add a photo of her to the info box? I think she's notable enough for it and there's many photos and professional photos of her online. Please? 2A06:C701:44C0:DC00:80E1:8C5B:96BD:2139 (talk) 07:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Such a photo would need to be demonstrably free to use. See WP:IUPC for specifics. WP Ludicer (talk) 19:32, 12 September 2025 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 March 2025
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can someone add a photo of her for infobox TrustyTusk (talk) 00:16, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
Not done for now: see WP:Image Use Policy. If you have an image in mind that meets criteria, upload it as instructed on that page and reopen this request then Cannolis (talk) 00:58, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
Serious omission
[edit]Why is the word "CBS" not mentioned anywhere in the current version of this Wikipedia article?
Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/10/business/media/cbs-news-bari-weiss-free-press.html
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 October 2025
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Add subsection for 2025-present in work. In that section, add: in October 2025, Weiss was appointed editor-in-chief of CBS News, following the merger of SkyDance Media and Paramount Global.
Citation: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/10/03/cbs-news-bari-weiss-skydance-paramount/ Abs145 (talk) 17:59, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
- Why does Bari Weiss have extended confirmed protected status? There are many journalists, political activists who do not have this protection and are prone to much vandalism. I would like to repeal this. Abs145 (talk) 18:01, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
- You can go to WP:RFPP to ask for a decrease. This article is protected because the subject meets 2 contentious topics: BLP, but more importantly, Arab-Israeli. See the top of this talk page for more info on that. jolielover♥talk 18:11, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
Already done Day Creature (talk) 18:27, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
- thanks folks - I mean Laura Loomer / Ryan Grim / plenty of other journos who meet both topic flags are editable. seems like a stretch for Weiss to have this level of protection. Abs145 (talk) 19:00, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
- Really? you think those journos are equal? Odd, you think in a poll more people would be aware of Ryan Grim (I had to google it) than Bari Weiss? I ffind that hard to believe, especially recently considering her promotion. Protection is there due to certain figures attracting negative elements. You can argue that people who disagree with Bari have a right to, I agree. What they don't have is the heckler's veto to come in and edit a controversial figure's page in bad faith. Edit protections literally exist for that reason. 131.106.15.127 (talk) 03:47, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- I did not make the comparison in terms of popularity or my personal familiarity - simply content expertise / topic and their position as someone producing journalism (Grim founded a news outlet, similar to Weiss' independent media; and Loomer has a podcast, although shes more a political commentator). Her promotion, while recent, is an acceleration of her position, according to all reporting on it. I understand the protection, but specifically for Weiss I don't see it, when both examples I listed similarly are news / media figures who speak extensively on the Israel-Palestine topic. I still don't understand why Weiss gets afforded special protection when other journalists on the topic do not - its not about agreeing/disagreeing with this person (I have only recently learned of her). All BLPs to some extent are able to easily be vandalized. Abs145 (talk) 16:41, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- Laura Loomer???? She is a hatemonger, not anything resembling a journalist ~2026-52630-0 (talk) 19:32, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
- Really? you think those journos are equal? Odd, you think in a poll more people would be aware of Ryan Grim (I had to google it) than Bari Weiss? I ffind that hard to believe, especially recently considering her promotion. Protection is there due to certain figures attracting negative elements. You can argue that people who disagree with Bari have a right to, I agree. What they don't have is the heckler's veto to come in and edit a controversial figure's page in bad faith. Edit protections literally exist for that reason. 131.106.15.127 (talk) 03:47, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- thanks folks - I mean Laura Loomer / Ryan Grim / plenty of other journos who meet both topic flags are editable. seems like a stretch for Weiss to have this level of protection. Abs145 (talk) 19:00, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
Edit request 4 October 2025
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Description of suggested change:
Please undo this edit per WP:HEADLINES (which includes subheadlines) as the quote itself comes from a subheadline. Additionally, the source reads as a screed, referring to Weiss as a 'marty' and 'grifter' and is definitely not appropriate for making claims about a BLP. PositivelyUncertain (talk) 20:00, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
- Done. It's a WP:HEADLINES violation, and a form of primary source analysis verging on WP:SYNTH: saying "this headline called her X while this headline called her Y". Why are we analyzing headlines? --Animalparty! (talk) 20:19, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
Already done Marking as done per Animalparty! Nubzor [T][C] 20:26, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
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Personal life section: begin with the most relevant/important
[edit]The current section begins with sexual orientation and ends with current status, marriage and kids. This "buries the lead". To fix this, simply put the final two sentences at the beginning:
Since 2018, she has been in a relationship with Nellie Bowles,[90][91] a former tech reporter for The New York Times. They have since married and have two children.[92][93][94]. Weiss prefers not to label her sexual orientation, but has said that although she was once married to a man, she is mostly attracted to women. While attending Columbia University, she had an on-and-off relationship with comedian Kate McKinnon.[6][89] She also dated Ariel Beery, with whom she co-founded Columbians for Academic Freedom.[10] From 2013 to 2016, Weiss was married to environmental engineer Jason Kass.[6] Markextra (talk) 12:03, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- The current order matches Wikipedia's style guidelines, see MOS:BLPCHRONO. Jamedeus (talk) 21:37, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 October 2025
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Weiss is NOT a Conservative. She’s a Left Of Center Liberal. 73.252.22.64 (talk) 02:38, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Day Creature (talk) 02:44, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- I believe the person wants you to undo this bold edit to the first sentence of the article: PositivelyUncertain (talk) 20:39, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- I removed this as undue but kept the Al Jazeera source in the Political Views section. There doesn't seem to be any consensus in reliable sources on how to label her so I don't think we should be mentioning a label in the lead at all. Perhaps we could describe her as difficult to label, but I'm not sure there are enough RS making that specific claim either. We should probably just keep this in Political Views where we have room to WP:BALANCE what's been published by RS. Jamedeus (talk) 21:50, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- I believe the person wants you to undo this bold edit to the first sentence of the article: PositivelyUncertain (talk) 20:39, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- Completely false ~2026-52630-0 (talk) 19:34, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
Request for edit
[edit]Under the career/resignation from NYT is the sentence:
Her resignation from the Times drew considerable news coverage.[3]
I propose editing this for tone, as one article in the Washington Post doesn't meet the criteria of "considerable"
Proposed new text:
Her resignation letter from the New York Times was covered by the Washington Post.[3]
I am not extended edit confirmed, and would need the edit to be made by somebody who is.
Welcome discussion on modifying the tone. Thanks Testtubewaltz (talk) 03:23, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
- The Washington Post is one citation, but that citation talks about the letter's extensive impact. Changing it as you suggested would be a fundamental degradation in both the factual integrity of the article and the reflection of the source. Snokalok (talk) 03:34, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
"installed"
[edit]"In 2025, Paramount Skydance bought The Free Press for $150 million and installed Weiss as editor-in-chief of CBS News."
The word "installed" is prejudicial and reflects bias. It should be replaced with a neutral word like hired. 2604:3D08:5182:C100:B9F7:992F:EBE2:93 (talk) 20:20, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
- Installed is better because it's coming externally. CBS News isn't hiring Bari Weiss, they're being told Bari Weiss is their new editor-in-chief from their new owners. It'd be "hired" if CBS themselves hired her. Snokalok (talk) 20:43, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
- someone check this person’s hard drive, very clearly a nonce ~2026-92595-5 (talk) 17:33, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
Picture
[edit]Why isn't there a picture of her? She's a high-profile person. JonathanMRosenberg (talk) 04:16, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- There needs to be a freely-licensed picture of her and I don't think one has been located yet. The only one that comes close is this one , it is marked as CC BY-NC SA 2.0. But because it's a noncommercial license, I believe Wikipedia doesn't accept those since it prohibits commercial redistribution because it's considered not free. See WP:FREER. Katzrockso (talk) 04:31, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- We should do better than that. ~2025-31208-44 (talk) 00:05, 29 December 2025 (UTC)
- Given the number of events she attended, I am sure a lot of journalists would have pictures of her. If they are willing to upload the pictures we would have one by now. Arutoria (talk) 04:25, 25 June 2026 (UTC)
- We should do better than that. ~2025-31208-44 (talk) 00:05, 29 December 2025 (UTC)
Tree of Life Synagogue
[edit]In her book "How to Fight Anti-Semitism" she clearly stated that she regularly attended nearby Beth Shalom synagogue and only had her Bat Mitzvah at Tree of Life because her synagogue was temporarily closed for repairs
"she attended the Tree of Life Synagogue and had her bat mitzvah ceremony there.<ref name="jewishchronicle">{{cite news |last=Tabachnick |first=Toby |date=October 27, 2017 |title=Times opinion editor, 'Burgh native Bari Weiss, talks "news, Jews and views" |url=https://issuu.com/pittchron/docs/_171027 |work=Pittsburgh Jewish Chronicle |volume=60 |issue=43 |page=1,16 |access-date=April 19, 2018 |archive- George Odell (talk) 10:45, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
Picture
[edit]Using Gerald Scarfe's page as an example, if someone made an illustration of her would that be acceptable as an image for her? ~2026-27812-16 (talk) 04:26, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
- I've now seen to it that the drawing on Scarfe's article was replaced with an actual photo. ―Howard • 🌽33 19:37, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
- edited version
“While attending Columbia University, Weiss had an on-and-off relationship with comedian Kate McKinnon.”
playing it straight~
While attending Columbia University, Weiss, *(a lover of the female body), had an on-and-off relationship with comedian Kate McKinnon. ~2026-32890-10 (talk) 14:33, 3 June 2026 (UTC)
Pronunciation?
[edit]Is there a way to fix the IPA hints to reference the "a" as being like the one in "marry" instead of "bad" (if it's going to still use the æ)?
Also, is there evidence of it being BARR-ee not BAIR-ee? BJDPhD (talk) 02:04, 14 July 2026 (UTC)
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