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Latest comment: 4 years ago by Sjö in topic Twin towns and sister cities

To the anonymous user at 80.77.66.126. Please explain how "His failed tax and spend policies, along with several prestige projects and an art fetish have led to severe cuts in services, especially in vital areas such as education and senior care" qualifies as NPOV.

You are completely entitled to your opinions, of course, but if you want this to be part of a Wikipedia article, it should be presented in an ubiased way with the views of both sides presented.

And, no, I have never in my life voted for the Social Democrats.

--Oz1cz 06:40, 14 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Failed policies reference in Ballerup article

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Despite having one of the highest tax rates in the entire country the commune has been cut services and reduced budgets for education and elder care among others. This is a failure of political leadership and policy.

You made reference to the transfer of tax receipts from Ballerup to other communes but this is a sad effort to point the finger at the national government. The real reason is the mayor's spending of tax monies on worthless and money wasting projects. All of which are meant to add to his perceived prestige and support his self-importance. If the mayor could keep his hands out of the taxpayer's pocket and limit spending to services which citizens need instead of art works of questionable artistic merit, repaving of perfectly serviceable roads, subsidies to fairs and festivals of dubious cultural value, then tax rates could be reduced. If we collected less tax then we wouldn't be subject to revenue transfers.

The mayor is a definitive example of an old style political boss. His time has come and gone. He should retire and the communal council enact srtict term limits on mayoral electees.

I would also suggest that as you don't live in Ballerup that you refrain from participating in the debate. I'm sure Kongens Lyngby has plenty of topics for you.

Well, yes, that is one point of view. The fact is that some people have a different view of the situation. This means that your sentences are not NPOV as mandated by Wikipedia standards. Rather than going into an edit war, would it not be better to remove the problem entirely by presenting both sides of the argument in the article? Edit wars are so unproductive. --Oz1cz 11:08, 14 September 2006 (UTC)Reply
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Twin towns (Ystad in particular)

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I removed a lot of towns that were added without proper sourcing. The sources included links to small clubs that are usually not known for editorial oversight and fact-checking. There was one link that said that three of the listed towns were former twin towns (tidligere nordiske venskabsbyer), and one dead link. Some of the towns I removed were completely unsourced and should not be restored without a reliable source.

Ystad remains, based on one source, but I have tagged it as dubious. Ystad is not included as a twin town or international partner at Ballerup's website. Ballerup is not mentioned a Ystad's website . According to a database at Sveriges Kommuner och Regioner (Sweden's Municipalities and Regions) Ystad and Ballerup has some cooperation regarding among other things education and culture, but not to the degree that they are twin towns or partners. It looks like a mistake by Mr. Møller or by the journalist and in my opinion Ystad should be removed from the list. Sjö (talk) 19:54, 2 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

Ballerup's twin towns

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This section moved from User talk:Sjö

Hey I can see you have remove something from Ballerup Wikipedia website and all of this are actually Twin Towns with Ballerup but now you know it too Sjö ;) :) ==Twin Towns/Sister Citiestowns==

 Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.186.116.173 (talkcontribs)

Hello, Spidy30. As you have been told repeatedly, most of these are not twin cities to Ballerup, and the source you added only lists two twin cities: East Kilbride and Prague 10. Sjö (talk) 19:51, 28 October 2020 (UTC)Reply
Hey Sjö no they are only not two cities they are actually many more and that is why I add all of this link to all of this right here and you should read all of this links by the way Sjö ;) :)  Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.186.116.173 (talk) 20:29, 28 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

Hey Sjö, please read this pages and links, right here down below, and some of this links are in danish only if you can read danish properly maybe you can understand why this belongs to this Wikipedia website and that is the PDF file with Burkina Faso, with the former mayor Ove E. Dalsgaard, In Ballerup Municipality, because there is a PDF file where Ove E. Dalsgaard is visiting Burkina Faso to support Ballerup municipality's friendship with this town of friendship that they have in Burkina Faso, and they also have other friendships with some other cities and countries all over the world that is all of this belong on this Wikipedia website on Ballerup Municipality, maybe you can find this in this PDF file Sjö and that is also the same with the two places in China and that is also the same for Ystad In Sweden and that is also the same for the other places in Sweden for that place in Norway and the other Place in Finland is the old Nordic friendship cities in the Nordic countries and they are a statue located in Ballerup Municipality and that statue is made with four elements, one Element from Sweden and the Second Element from Norway and the third Element from Finland and finally the last Element from Ballerup, Denmark Åsnes, Norway Sweden – Fagersta, Sweden Finland – Jämsä, Finland, Ballerup, Denmark – Ballerup, Denmark that is the work behind the statue with the old Nordic friendship countries on that statue they are located in Ballerup Municipality. And Ballerup do also have a Friendship city in Germany and also in many other countries too as well, and that is why they are added so many links and websites for this Wikipedia website and also so everyone should know it too, everyone can get to change know it too and also so they can get the chance to learn something new and maybe learn something they never know before, because we are only human and humans learn new things every day, every single day 356/ 366 days on the whole year and maybe some humans learn some things from all websites or maybe from some old websites too and I hope you understand this Sjö and but anyway thanks for the understanding, Sjö.

[15] Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.186.112.26 (talkcontribs) 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I can read Danish. Well enough to know that "tidligere" means earlier or former, which means that ref 14 says that Åsnes, Fagersta and Jämså are no longer twin cities. And every single one of the cities that you want to add are unsupported by reliable sources. Sure, ref 5 says that there is some international contact, but it does not say that Ziniaré is a twin town to Ballerup. Besides it is a newsletter from a small club which means that it is not a reliable source. Ref 8 is just a list of names that support nothing, and ref 15 is the name and address to a Kultur- og venskabsforeningen Ballerup/Burkina Faso that says nothing about any twin town in Burkina Faso. I could go on but the point is that every source except 1-3 (which by the way are the same link repeated three times) is either unreliable, do not support the text, or both.
And for God's sake, learn to write coherent sentences and to indent and sign your contributions to talk pages.Sjö (talk) 20:31, 9 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

Yeah but still you need to read something, something very important information about Ballerup from some of all of the links and website I have show to you and all of you here on Wikipedia, But first I find it very important information and show all of you what that is ;) :), 1. East Kilbride 2. Brandenburger an der Havel 3. Ystad 4. Wuxi and this information is from DR.dk from Denmark’s Radio and they are many more information from this website right here but I am not sure but I can find from all the website I have here in this link, because I’m not stupid at all and I know a lot of things too and that is why that guy behind Wikipedia or that person they have invented and create Wikipedia in the beginning he makes Wikipedia to a contains a lot of information that is why all of us can do the same here on Wikipedia because they are a lot of people out there in the world they know nothing about something other people just know about things and stuff sometimes they are not important from the only person but something there may be more important for another person people out in the entire world ;) :) Ballerup, Wuxi, East Kilbride, Ystad og Brandenburger an der Havel

 Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.186.112.26 (talkcontribs)

Like I said at your talk page, don't add walls of text. Instead, point to the specific sentences that supposedly support your additions, and explain with reference to WP:RS why sources like newsletters from small clubs are reliable sources, and why Ballerup's own website is wrong when it lists their twin towns. 16:29, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
The discussion should be very straightforward, really. There is a very reliable source for the municipality's twin cities, and that's the municipality's website. It lists Prague 10 and East Kilbride, as well as Wuxi and Brandenburg an der Havel as partnerships. Those four should be the only ones mentioned under twin cities. If a town isn't mentioned on the municipality's website, it is no longer a twin city. With that said, we also don't need two sources for every twin city. A single reference for all the twin cities is plenty. Kaffe42 (talk) 16:50, 10 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
Normally I would agree that one source per city is enough. In this case, there is a stubborn sock that insists that there are more than the four cities on the municipality's website. So I thought it best to source that these cities show Ballerup as a twin city and others (like Ystad) do not. Sjö (talk) 16:56, 10 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
So please read what I have sent to you and stop removing this because that is maybe because you cannot read danish or maybe you don’t think I am right or maybe you’ll think you are the only person here in Wikipedia they are why didn’t everything but you’re not and and also in this link is writing something to and I have too many things for you and help you to understand this, I have also tried to help you to understand this and I also have, I have also tried to help you so you better can  read this link on danish that is why are translated that from danish to English but you can still not understand it or maybe you remove it from Wikipedia only because I am smart and clever and you  decided to remove this because you think you are smarter in everyone here on Wikipedia no that is wrong because he on Wikipedia, because he on Wikipedia they are space for everyone and everybody here on Wikipedia to share what they know about different things and stuff too because they are lots of people inside the United States of America a lot of them know nothing about places in Denmark and other places like in Sweden, Norway and many other countries as well too and so on, that is why people’s and person’s like me is doing what we are doing to share history and other things and stuff because we are only human and humans learn something new every single day, Sjö. And maybe you think other people see it on Wikipedia is stupid but they are not, maybe they not know all things about different things and stuff they are here in the entire world, so please read but I have sent to you Sjö, instead of removing it and delete it instead of it, so please read it Sjö. [16]

https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/regionale/hovedstadsomraadet/its-not-you-its-me-kommuner-kapper-baandene-til-venskabsbyer. Inside this text they are something about Ystad in Sweden, so please read this Sjö. Yeah but still you need to read something, something very important information about Ballerup from some of all of the links and website I have show to you and all of you here on Wikipedia, But first I find it very important information and show all of you what that is ;) :), 1. East Kilbride 2. Brandenburger an der Havel 3. Ystad 4. Wuxi and this information is from DR.dk from Denmark’s Radio and they are many more information from this website right here but I am not sure but I can find from all the website I have here in this link, because I’m not stupid at all and I know a lot of things too and that is why that guy behind Wikipedia or that person they have invented and create Wikipedia in the beginning he makes Wikipedia to a contains a lot of information that is why all of us can do the same here on Wikipedia because they are a lot of people out there in the world they know nothing about something other people just know about things and stuff sometimes they are not important from the only person but something there may be more important for another person people out in the entire world ;) :) Ballerup, Wuxi, East Kilbride, Ystad og Brandenburger an der Havel

Text already in the references Ballerup Kommune bruger ifølge kommunaldirektør Eik Møller omkring 700.000-800.000 kroner om året på venskabsbyerne Ystad, Brandenburger an der Havel, den kinesiske storby Wuxi og skotske East Kilbride. Men ud af et budget på omkring to milliarder kroner er de penge godt givet ud, mener Eik Møller. - Vi kan se et behov for at vise vores børn og unge, at der er en verden uden for Danmark, som vi med fordel kan introducere dem til og give dem mulighed for at opleve. Ballerup Kommune sender hvert år elever til for eksempel Tyskland, så de kan lære kultur, sprog og skolegang i et andet land at kende. Derudover har de skabt kontakt til myndighederne i Kina for en virksomhed fra kommunen, der gerne ville ind på det kinesiske marked.

Ballerup, Wuxi, East Kilbride, Ystad and Brandenburger an der Havel

According to municipal director Eik Møller, Ballerup Municipality spends around DKK 700,000-800,000 a year on the twin towns of Ystad, Brandenburger an der Havel, the Chinese city of Wuxi and Scottish East Kilbride. But out of a budget of around two billion kroner, the money is well spent, Eik Møller believes. - We can see a need to show our children and young people that there is a world outside Denmark that we can introduce them to and give them the opportunity to experience. Every year, Ballerup Municipality sends students to, for example, Germany, so that they can get to know the culture, language and schooling in another country. In addition, they have made contact with the Chinese authorities for a company from the municipality that would like to enter the Chinese market. This information right here is translated from Danish to English. And if you remove this that would not help anything at all and not that will help you at all as well Sjö.

 Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.186.112.26 (talkcontribs)

You keep telling Sjö to read through what you're sending, but you're actually entirely ignoring his messages yourself. As I see it, you disagree on Ystad not being included. The article you link to is from 2019. Since then Ystad is no longer a twin town of Ballerup. The entire article is even about how municipalities are getting rid of their twin cities. (Danish: Du bliver ved at bede Sjö læse det du sender igennem, men du ignorerer ham selv fuldstændig. Som jeg ser det, er du uenig i at Ystad ikke er nævnt som venskabsby. Artiklen fra DR er fra 2019 og forældet: Ystad er ikke længere venskabsby med Ballerup Kommune. Hele artiklen handler endda om hvordan kommunerne kapper båndene med deres venskabsbyer.) Kaffe42 (talk) 17:52, 10 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

Nej jeg ignorér ham ikke jeg er bare ikke enig i det han siger det og det han skriver det er nemlig slet ikke helt inde i overhovedet ikke jeg er slet ikke enig men mange af de ting han siger overhovedet og er noget helt andet, men som det er sagt han bliver nødt til at læse det man sender til ham og lade være med at slet det det er bedre at læse det inden man jo sletter noget for det er jo bare god stil at ja og her det er det nej det har de ikke de har ikke kappet forbindelser til de steder i bliver nødt til at læse de her ting og komme igennem hele artiklen så vil du forstå hvad der står der inde jeg var også lidt i tvivl om det var til at starte med indtil at læse det hele igennem så nej det har de ikke og her sidste år der havde de nemlig besøg fra deres venskabsby fra Burkina Faso og der står artiklen også at den er skrevet i år 2019, så nej de har ikke kortet forbindelserne til alle de venskabsby de har ude i verden det burde heller ikke være så svært at få det læst og det er lige meget hvem det er det er bare generelt bare læs det er læs alle artiklerne helt igennem ikke helt men helt fordi ellers så kommer i ikke til at forstå hvad der står i den her og hvad det handler om overhovedet har ikke meget godt råd fra mig til jer alle sammen. Men vær sød at læse alle de artikler helt igennem og Tak på forhånd og Tak for forståelsen. Kaffe42 og Sjö.  Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.186.112.26 (talkcontribs)

You really should either create an account or log in, and try and write more coherent sentences, because this is starting to look a lot like vandalism or trolling. I work on the articles for all Danish municipalities, and I've read the article you link to numerous times since it came out. And it very simply says that Danish municipalities are cutting down on twin cities, but Ballerup is one of the few that still use them. Check out the municipality's official website if you're in doubt about things like this. In this case that is Ballerup.dk. Things like twin cities isn't some local historical detective work, it's very simple facts. The official websites will always have an updated list (which they also do in this case). And after looking at their website again, it actually occurs to me that only Prague 10 and East Kilbride are actually twin cities. The other two are partnerships and should not be listed. Kaffe42 (talk) 18:09, 10 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
I added Wuxi and Brandenburg, together with "and international partnerships" hoping to find a compromise with the anonymous editor. I have no strong opinions about having them in the article, only about the long and unsourced list of other cities. Sjö (talk) 18:56, 10 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. "Kommunens internationale samarbejder - Internationale samarbejdspartere". Ballerup kommune. 2019-06-14.
  2. "Kommunens internationale samarbejder - Internationale samarbejdspartere". Ballerup kommune. 2019-06-14.
  3. "Kommunens internationale samarbejder - Internationale samarbejdspartere". Ballerup kommune. 2019-06-14.
  4. https://www.ploeks.dk/cms/ShowContentPage.aspx?ContentPageID=232
  5. http://www.gtu.dk/VDkBFblad105.pdf
  6. https://dk.linkedin.com/in/susse-b%C3%B8tefyhr-40972639
  7. http://www.findglocal.com/DK/Ballerup/129051150445627/East-Kilbride-Badet
  8. http://www.kultunaut.dk/perl/stedlist/type-nynaut?Startnr=1201&StedType=Kulturelforening&Area=Hele%20Danmark&Godkendt=Alle&
  9. https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/regionale/hovedstadsomraadet/its-not-you-its-me-kommuner-kapper-baandene-til-venskabsbyer
  10. https://bib.ballerup.dk/arrangementer/godt-og-blandet/wuxi-ballerups-venskabsby-i-kina
  11. https://www.ballerupbladet.dk/node/56209
  12. http://live-2131-ballerup-skovlunde-fodbold.umbraco-proxy.com/media/7698/nr-4-rejser-i-bsf.pdf
  13. https://ballerup.dk/kunstguiden
  14. https://ballerup.dk/brug-byen/kunst-i-ballerup/venskabsbyskulptur
  15. http://www.kultunaut.dk/perl/sted/type-nynaut/nr-52357
  16. https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/regionale/hovedstadsomraadet/its-not-you-its-me-kommuner-kapper-baandene-til-venskabsbyer

Twin towns and sister cities

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This reference confirms East Kilbride, Ystad, and Brandenburg an der Havel. [<spam> This reference] appears to refer to Ballerup itself, and in any rate does not confirm this extended list even if it did belong on this article which has yet to be determined. FDW777 (talk) 12:19, 30 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

I see this has been discussed at #Ballerup's twin towns immediately above also. FDW777 (talk) 12:20, 30 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

I'm not sure we should be relying on DB City instead of the official reference you linked, so we should definitely keep the list of twin towns to the three official ones. And yes, this was also an editing conflict around this time last year too, and I suspect the anonymous editor is the same person. Kaffe42 (talk) 13:32, 30 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
DB-city doesn't seem to be a reliable source. There is no indication of where the data is from or how it is checked and it is at least partly user-generated. The company behind it, Advercity is in the business to make high-traffic websites, which to me sounds like high traffic is way more important than correctness. Sjö (talk) 17:39, 30 September 2021 (UTC)Reply