Talk:Baklava

در چه تاریخی و چرا ويرايش باقلوا قفل شده

What is the date and why the baklava edit is locked? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.147.203.153 (talk) 05:28, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

In Afghanistan baklava is a traditional sweet

Why say it's not a traditional sweet in Afghanistan when there's no source to back up that claim? It even has a local name — Afghans call it Baghlawa — and they make it in their own distinct style. 2A02:8440:A11B:4AF:8C5E:88FF:FE79:B97E (talk) 08:58, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

That's a very similar sounding name for a very similar tasting dessert. DAVilla (talk) 16:20, 7 August 2026 (UTC)

Unnecessary line

"It is also enjoyed in South Asia, where, although not a traditional sweet, it has become popular over the years."

I mean, isn't this true everywhere? I'm eating one right now in Nevada. DAVilla (talk) 16:19, 7 August 2026 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 September 2026

Remove and delete "However, the recipe there is for a filling of nuts and honey, with a top and bottom layer of honey and ground sesame similar to modern pasteli or halva, and no dough, certainly not a flaky dough.[29]". This is 100% inaccurate because the recipe in Deipnosophistae 14:57 clearly, explicitly and unambiguously states that the recipe is for a filling of honey and nuts between a top and a bottom layer of pastry. Reference: https://scaife.perseus.org/reader/urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0008.tlg001.perseus-grc4:14.57/ Athena painter (talk) 23:16, 4 September 2026 (UTC)

Following my request for edit of this passage "However, the recipe there is for a filling of nuts and honey, with a top and bottom layer of honey and ground sesame similar to modern pasteli or halva, and no dough, certainly not a flaky dough.[29]" and user @Wikaviani reverting my changes:

1. Verifiability: The citation to Charles Perry, "The Taste for Layered Bread among the Nomadic Turks and the Central Asian Origins of Baklava", in A Taste of Thyme: Culinary Cultures of the Middle East (ed. Sami Zubaida, Richard Tapper), 1994 is too broad to verify the specific claim. The article should give a precise passage or page/reference showing exactly where the claim comes from. Currently, there is no page number, therefore it is impossible to verify the claim. Needs to conform to: Wikipedia:Verifiability
2. Accuracy: The statement “no dough” is questionable because the Greek text explicitly instructs the cook to ἕλκυσον λαγάνια δύο, i.e. stretch/draw out two lagania and place one laganion underneath and the other above the filling. Laganion (λαγάνιον): an ancient Greek flat sheet or thin cake of dough, typically rolled or stretched out. In the gastris recipe, two lagania are used as the layers above and below the filling. The article therefore should not categorically state “no dough” without a reliable source supporting that interpretation.
3. Neutrality: The phrases “similar to modern pasteli or halva” and especially “certainly not a flaky dough” go beyond simply describing the ancient recipe. They are interpretive claims and therefore violate neutrality (Wikipedia:Neutral point of view). The article should neutrally describe what the ancient text actually says.
4. Greek text and translation:

κοπτοπλακοῦς. ἐν Κρήτῃ δέ, φησίν, πλακουντάριον ποιοῦσιν ὅπερ ὀνομάζουσι γάστριν. γίνεται δὲ οὕτως· κάρυα Θάσσια καὶ Ποντικὰ καὶ ἀμύγδαλα, ἔτι δὲ μήκων, ἃ φρύξας θεράπευσον καλῶς καὶ εἰς θυίαν καθαράν τρῖψον ἐπιμελῶς· συμμίξας τε τὴν ὀπώραν μάλαξον μέλιτι ἠψημένῳ, προσβαλὼν πέπερι πλέον καὶ μάλαξον γίνεται δὲ μέλαν διὰ τὴν μήκωνα. διαπλατύνας ποίησον τετράγωνον. εἶτα σήσαμον λευκὸν τρίψας μάλαξον μέλιτι ἠψημένῳ καὶ ἕλκυσον λαγάνια δύο καὶ ἓν θὲς ὑποκάτω καὶ τὸ ἄλλο ἐπάνω, ἵνα τὸ μέλαν εἰς μέσον γένηται, εὖ ῥύθμισόν τε αὐτό. Source: Δειπνοσοφισταί, Athenaeus. The Deipnosophists. 7 vols. Gulick, Charles Burton, editor. London: William Heinemann, Ltd.; New York: G. P. Putnam's Sons; Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1927-1941 Greek edition. Available online at: https://scaife.perseus.org/reader/urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0008.tlg001.perseus-grc4:14.57/

A reasonably literal translation is:

“A koptoplakous. In Crete, he says, they make a little plakous which they call gastris. It is made as follows: roast Thasian and Pontic walnuts and almonds, and also poppy seeds, and prepare them well and grind them thoroughly in a clean mortar. Having mixed the fruit/nut mixture, work it with boiled honey, adding plenty of pepper; it becomes black because of the poppy seed. Spread it out and make it square. Then, having ground white sesame, work it with boiled honey, and stretch/draw out two lagania; put one underneath and the other on top, so that the black mixture is in the middle, and arrange it well.”

The key point is that ἕλκυσον λαγάνια δύο literally means something like “stretch/draw out two lagania”. Athena painter (talk) 17:24, 3 October 2026 (UTC)