Talk:Babka

"Bread"

Nobody calls this a bread. It's cake. It's a yeast cake. (Babka sandwich?)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cake#Comparison_with_bread

Drsruli (talk) 21:43, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, what is the source for it? Babka is generally considered a bread as it is made with yeast-risen dough. What is the source for cake? Andre🚐 23:07, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

Actually its a Viennoiserie not a bread, just like Brioche , but cake in British and Australian English. Davidstewartharvey (talk) 15:38, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Where in those sources does it say a cake and not a bread? And these are not authoritative sources, they are recipe sites. Andre🚐 20:30, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Authoritative source? The problem with food is its national opinion. Currently there is a discussion at Quick bread, which is a phrase that is US centric. Quick bread, aka chemically leavened bread, which in the states includes items such as Soda Bread and Scones, but in the UK and Australia are known just as bread and cake! We have some books like The Oxford Companion to Food by Alan Davidson, but even he gets things wrong, saying Danish Pastry is a pastry, when its made with yeast-leavened dough, which pastry isnt leavened, but actually Viennoiserie.

Viennoiserie is difficult to pin down because when this French word is translated it comes up as Vienna Pastry, but Viennoiserie isn't a pastry. Viennoiserie includes what people call sweet bread, like Brioche and Cougnou. Professional text books state that Brioche is Viennoiserie and Cookery schools like the Cordon Bleu .

That Babka is Viennoiserie comes from both recipe sites, which i have given examples of, and professional bakeries . Babka dough is made using the Viennoiserie method, the non-laminated method, just like a Brioche, which is why it has been included as a Viennoiserie. Davidstewartharvey (talk) 06:20, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Those aren't suitable. It should be a source by an expert such as a book or article like the encyclopedia of food or so on. A recipe site is not sufficient in my view. Nor would a bakery be. Andre🚐 06:58, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Viennoiserie are still considered pastries, which is why I preferred this word, easily understandable. Drsruli (talk) 20:21, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Gil Marks is an authority in this area. He defines Babka as a cake. https://www.google.com/books/edition/Encyclopedia_of_Jewish_Food/gFK_yx7Ps7cC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PT158&printsec=frontcover Drsruli (talk) 22:17, 7 August 2025 (UTC)