Talk:Arora

Aroras and Khatris

There seem to be many sources that show that these castes are different and mentions them separately in the same sentence. I will list the sources. Can someone who has more context on the castes on the Punjab region of India comment? Thanks LukeEmily (talk) 18:29, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

From the leading newspaper in Punjab. https://www.punjabkesari.in/national/news/arora-society-is-descended-from-lord-rama-810587

Please understand the context. https://books.google.com/books/about/Structure_and_Change_in_Indian_Society.html?id=_g-_r-9Oa_sC

The source clearly addresses the issue and differentiates the "Khatris" from the "Arora Khatris". The latter had immigrated to the upper Punjab from the south of Lahore after the invasion of Sindh by the Arabs. Therefore, for centuries they were socioeconomically inferior to the already settled Khatris.

Yet, most scholars admit that both the groups are of the same ethenic stock. Moreover, intermarraiges between the two groups is a common and old phenomenon. Please note, inter caste marriages are still new in the Indian society.

If you may please care to know, Arora Khatris are more in numbers than all the other Khatris combined.

Arora Khatri and Khatri population combined is estimated to be around 10 million in India.

All the best.

Thanks. This(population etc.) is good information that we can add to the articles. Please can you add with suitable sources? Also, what is the difference between Aroras and Arora-Khatris? There are some sources (like Malhotra) that say that the Khatris deny the Arora claim that they are Khatris. Is that a resolved issue now (assuming it was a thing of the past only)? LukeEmily (talk) 21:21, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Arora is Arora Khatri in short. Some Aroras continue to use their sub-Arora clan names such as Baathla, Ahuja, Juneja, Bathra, Madanpotra, Madaan, Kalra etc. However, others simply write Arora.

There is a huge overlap of clan names. The state of Haryana is where the majority of non-Sikh Khatris (including Arora) reside and form the second most populous group after the (non-Sikh) Jaats. Evident in the official government reports Arora/Khatris is considered a one unit. Similarly, the recent formation of Arora-Khatri welfare board by the Punjab government consists of both Aroras and Khatris (non-Arora Khatris such as Khukhrain.

If we go further in the history of the Aroras, they had settled in Aror from Lahore. This has been published mostly in hindi. After the Arab conquest of the capital of Aror, those who traveled back to Lahore intermingled with Non-Arora Khatris and are generally called the Punjabi Arora (caste Punjabi Khatri). Similarly, Aroras who settled in Multan were called Multani Arora (caste: Punjabi Khatri) so on and so forth Wikieditor1008 (talk) 04:54, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

In short, the issue is resolved. Wikieditor1008 (talk) 04:56, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

As a traditional rule, Aroras only marry within Aroras or Khatris. Within Aroras, they do not marry in the same sub-clan of their father and their mother. Divide and rule policy of the British worked well with the inter-differences between a cohesive units to eventually "divide and rule"

All the best Wikieditor1008 (talk) 05:07, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

An old version

An intersting version of the Wikipedia Article on Aroras re-published on academic.com https://en-academic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/1462558 Wikieditor1008 (talk) 05:16, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

"Aroras (Hindi: अरोड़ा, Punjabi: ਅਰੋੜਾ) (or Aror-vanshis, Aror Bans) are an urban mercantile community of the Punjab and Sindh of Kshatriya origin. They are originally Kshatriyas who later on also resorted to agriculture, industry, services, education and trade. "They are usually fair complexioned and endowed with a good sturdy disposition". They are usually well educated and the community has produced Nobel Lauretes like Dr. Hargobind Khorana and an astronaut like Kalpana Chawla."

Please note Aror Vanshi in short is Aror Vans/Bans simce va and ba are used interchangeably like vihar/bihar, vanvas/banvas/banbas, vaniya/baniya etc in the slang dialect. Aror Vanshi mean from the Vans(literally clan) of Aror (Arut). Wikieditor1008 (talk) 05:29, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

28 September

@Gotitbro: you have again unnecessarily added subheadings and merged the origin section into History and varna section into social organization. Such changes required consensus. Origin and varna sections should remain separate from social organization and history. Because social organization is mainly about their clans/sub-castes/gotras or internal divisions not origin or varna. Similarly, the history section should cover occupation/politics or historical role, not disputed varna or origin. I agree with Sutyarshi that the article has several issues: some statements rely on unreliable/primary/unverified sources and some are contradictory. The varna-related paragraphs also need cleanup clean up/Copyediting, as university names are mentioned unnecessarily. Like: According to the University of Utah sociologist, According to Bam Dev Sharda, in the "status allocation in village India", the Aroras are considered a mercantile caste belonging to the Vaishya varna, like the Khatris, Agarwal, Bania and Ahluwalia, and they claim "twice-born" status. @Sutyarashi: could you elaborate on why you think Kaura Mal's origin is disputed, and what other issues you found in the article? In a quick search, I could not find Kaura Mal's origin from Khatri/Arora community on page 79 (in cited source on main article of Kaura Mal), particularly through Google snippet view. It is likely this statement was added by non-ECR users. MSTL (talk) 20:10, 28 September 2026 (UTC)

Categories

1. In this edit I removed these cats Category:Arora clans is a parent category and useable only for clans/sub-castes/gotras/subdivisions of Arora caste/community, so it does not belong on the main Arora article. Other community articles like, such as Rajput/Jat, do not include Category:Rajput clans or Category:Jat clans on their main articles. More appropriate categories would be Category:Khatri clans or Category:Khatri. Category:Indian castes is also a parent category that covers all castes across India. Since we already have specific subcategories like Punjabi tribes and Sindhi tribes, the parent category is reduntant. Category:People from Sukkur District is also irrelevant, as it is intended for individuals, not for a caste/community. Such district-based categories are also not used in other community-related articles (we have a better category for this Category:Social groups of Sindh). MSTL (talk) 20:12, 28 September 2026 (UTC)

"subcategories like Punjabi tribes and Sindhi tribes, the parent category is reduntant"

Incorrect. These are not subcats of Indian castes.

About Sukkur. I've replaced it with the generic district cat rather than the people cat (that is not necessarily restricted to individuals but nonetheless). Geocats for toponymic names items are common. So you are simply wrong about "district-based categories are also not used".

About the clan cat. Since that is the sole cat relevant for this article it should be fine. Though a parent cat can be created here if this needs removal. If editors feel like this needs removal regardless I have no real objections. Gotitbro (talk) 00:29, 29 September 2026 (UTC)

"Though a parent cat can be created here if this needs removal." I've created the main parent cat at Category:Arora.

I've also gone ahead and replaced Sukkur with the specific Category:Aror, for the toponymic etymon. Gotitbro (talk) 02:50, 29 September 2026 (UTC)

Kaura Mal was the son of Wallu Mal Khatri... (Gupta, p. 79). Sutyarashi (talk) 20:18, 28 September 2026 (UTC)

@Sutyarashi Here is p:79 in Google snippet view. I am unable to see. But why did you say the caste of Kaura Mal is disputed? MSTL (talk) 21:03, 28 September 2026 (UTC)

See . Some sources call him Arora as well. Sutyarashi (talk) 21:08, 28 September 2026 (UTC)

@Sutyarashi I can see it now. However, I just asked this after reading your recent edit-summary above, I have provided the diff for that edit-summary. You also mentioned that there are many other issues with the article, but you did not specify what they were, either in your edit-summary or here on the talk page. Thanks for the clarification. MSTL (talk) 22:05, 28 September 2026 (UTC)

Lead previously had that Aroras originated from "northern Sindh and southern Punjab" while in the main body, statement was of originating from Pothohar. In origin section, line was In the opinion of a "Ford-Maxwell Professor of South Asian Studies" with no mention of who is he, I have tagged it now. Sutyarashi (talk) 23:04, 28 September 2026 (UTC)

I see thanks again for the clarification. The statement about originating from Pothohar also seems dubious to me, which is why I added the quotation needed tag. MSTL (talk) 23:39, 28 September 2026 (UTC)

I am fine with removing the varna cruft entirely here. Though varna claims et. al. are indeed social functions (that section title can be retitled slightly if retained at all).

"have again unnecessarily added subheadings"

That is how they were, "again" does not arise here. The question is why have you removed them seemingly without any reason and split-off dubious sections in the first place.

You have conflated varna and origin into a single section here and mere etymology is of course not "origin" (whatever that means). And the thing about consensus: you are the one introducing these bold changes so "such changes required consensus" applies to the recent changes introduced not the other way around. WP:BRD.

Anyhow, I am not really interested in this article. Only came across this article (again) when I was going through some sock-related edits for Sindh articles and noticed the incorrect cat removals by you. Gotitbro (talk) 00:40, 29 September 2026 (UTC)