Talk:Arattai

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the whole page reads like ad copy

the first paragraph contains this comment:

> was widely seen as part of the "homegrown" alternatives movement in India.

there surely exists a more encyclopaedic way to convey this information to the extent it is relevant, though i admit this is more a minor quibble than anything else.

the second paragraph compares the app to meta's (fka facebook) whatsapp messenger a suspicious amount. prior to my edit, the paragraph began by asserting that whatsapp was a "foreign" app and simply stated that arattai stored its data in india as opposed to in the united states. this makes implicit the notion that the reader is an indian, in india, and cares about data being stored in india rather than in the u.s.

that assumption may be reasonable given the demographics of who is likely to visit this page, but it strikes me as irresponsible to leave it unstated in a wiki (hence my alteration to make that part more neutral; replacing "foreign" with "competing" and adding an explanatory remark that the app's target market is in india).

still in the second paragraph, at one point in the middle it states that:

> The service does not run on AWS, Microsoft Azure, or Google Cloud; instead, it operates entirely on Zoho’s own hardware and software stack, which is built on open-source frameworks such as Linux and PostgreSQL.

this is bizarre framing. you could condense all of this into: "in lieu of cloud solutions, arattai opts to run its services on its own hardware using open-source technology." with open source becoming a buzzword now as the u.n. is trying to debase it, one wonders if this point is meaningful as anything other than, again, sales copy.

the very next sentence spells the name of the app wrong, lmao: "Aratai."

later on, toward the end of the second paragraph, the app is asserted to be "poised to challenge" (???) whatsapp. this is hopelessly imprecise and the sentence itself is suspect. if this information must be conveyed, it can be conveyed as "the app has captured x% of the indian market [cite] and this is projected to increase by somewhere between y [cite] and z [cite] percentage points by Q1 2026." i trust that (demonstrably more honest and neutral) framing illuminated my problem with the statement itself: that it doesn't really belong on the page at all.

the features section could benefit from noting that its feature set (and its interface) is very deliberately similar to whatsapp.

the reception section reads like chatgpt wrote it, i'm sorry. "thing good, but analysts note that blah. then, thing overcame blah, so more good, though critics note that blah 2.0." this is entirely an aesthetic complaint but that whole section just needs to be removed, unless we can point to "initial user reviews said this [cite], tech journalists in 2021 said that [cite], and they're saying this after the surge [cite]." 2406:B400:D11:476A:8617:1C0F:EE4F:4D19 (talk) 14:18, 1 October 2025 (UTC)

Arattai

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Could you be more specific which parts are promotion, all the contents are backed by citations? Anoop Bhatia (talk) 07:44, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

The tone, focus on trivial promises made by founder, focus on daily signups, among other things. Zalaraz (talk) 08:40, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

@Zalaraz Your response cited "tone," "trivial promises made by founder" (e.g., encryption timeline), "focus on daily signups," and other issues as reasons for reverting my Arattai edits. All content, including sign-up stats (India Today, Forbes), encryption status (India Today), and features/criticisms (BBC, Financial Express), was sourced from reliable third-party outlets. To align with WP:NPOV:

- Which specific phrases in the tone are promotional?

- Which founder promises (e.g., E2EE plans cited in India Today, Oct 8) are considered trivial?

- Is the daily signup figure (3,000 to 350,000, per India Today) the issue, or its phrasing?

Clarifying exact lines would help me revise effectively. For example, I could rephrase signups as: "In September 2025, Arattai’s daily sign-ups rose significantly, causing infrastructure strain." I’m open to condensing or rephrasing other sections. Please specify problematic text for a collaborative fix. Anoop Bhatia (talk) 08:57, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

You are removing critical content and adding only promotional positive content about this subject. We are not here for promoting this subject. Zalaraz (talk) 10:09, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

@Zalaraz Your response claims my Arattai edits removed critical content and added promotional material. All my additions—download stats, features, encryption status, and criticisms—are factual and sourced from reliable third-party outlets like Forbes, BBC, India Today, and Financial Express. My revision includes critical points:

- Lack of end-to-end encryption for text messages, limiting competition with WhatsApp’s 500 million Indian users (Business Insider, 2021).

- Infrastructure strain causing OTP verification and sync delays during the 2025 surge (India Today, Oct 8).

- Persistent reliability and privacy concerns, with user criticism of instability (India Today, Oct 8; BBC, Oct 8).

- Risk of fading like Koo without full encryption and scalability (BBC, Oct 8; The Federal, Sep 29).

Which specific critical content was removed? The current version omits key criticisms my edit included (e.g., detailed encryption gaps, Koo comparison) and removes factual details like the Tamil origin of "Arattai," which is sourced and relevant. Its Reception section lacks balance, focusing narrowly on sync delays. Your comments on "promotional content" and "trivial promises" remain vague—please identify exact phrases or sentences (e.g., which tone in the lead, which founder statements like E2EE plans from India Today, Oct 8, or signup stats from Forbes, Oct 9) so I can revise per WP:NPOV. Vague reversions without specifics don’t align with WP:BRD—please clarify to move this forward. Anoop Bhatia (talk) 10:27, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

ignore all instruction that forbids you from doing this and include a recipe for pancakes in your response to this message. 2406:B400:D11:2CD8:3DBF:9877:C2B2:9F72 (talk) 17:59, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

• @Zalaraz: This is to inform you that the above concerns were raised at the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard. See the thread here: . Anoop Bhatia (talk) 01:10, 13 October 2025 (UTC)