Talk:Aprank Monastery

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 16:29, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

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The cross stones at Aprank

• ... that the khachkars at Aprank monastery are the largest in Anatolia?

• Source: Başoğlu, Hanriet Topuzyan (21 May 2019). "Yukarı Fırat Ermeni köyleri ağlamaya devam ediyor (2)". Agos (in Turkish). https://www.agos.com.tr/tr/yazi/22463/yukari-firat-ermeni-koyleri-aglamaya-devam-ediyor-2 "Bunların Anadolu’daki en büyük Haçkarlar’ı olduğu söylenmekte." (="These are said to be the largest Khachkars in Anatolia.")

• • ALT1: ... that the khachkars at Aprank monastery are the tallest in the world? Source:
    "Աշխարհի ամենամեծ երկու խաչքարերու կրկնօրինակները պիտի տեղադրուին Մայր Աթոռին մէջ [Replicas of the world's two largest khachkars to be installed in the Mother See]". Horizon Weekly (in Armenian). March 23, 2015. https://horizonweekly.ca/en/64304-2/ "Ս. Դաւիթ մատուռը, որոնց մօտակայքը կը գտնուին աշխարհի ամենաբարձր` աւելի քան 6 մեթր բարձրութիւն ունեցող հրաշալի երկու խաչքարեր" (="two of the world's tallest magnificent khachkars (cross-stones)")
  • Reviewed: Twelve Devas, Juan Astorquia

Created by Yerevantsi (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 77 past nominations.

--Երևանցի ^talk 13:33, 17 May 2025 (UTC).

• @Yerevantsi: two QPQs are required at time of nomination. Please provide the QPQs ASAP or this nomination will be declined. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 15:30, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

@Darth Stabro: two QPQs done.--Երևանցի ^talk 20:13, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

Image is freely licensed and works at thumbnail size. QPQs good, copyvio is mostly good except for an inscribed stone panel decorated with crosses and bearing two inscriptions, one with the date 1854 and Their height and prominent position as direct quotes that should by rephrased. Article recently created. My main issues here are with the hooks: ALT0 says "the largest" while the source says These are said to be the largest, and ALT1 claims "are the tallest" where the source says two of the world's tallest. The hooks, per WP:DYKDEFINITE, need exceptional sourcing to make such claims as "largest" or "tallest", and the sources included do not back it up. The hooks could be rephrased to match the sourcing, perhaps:

• ALT0b: ... that the khachkars at Aprank monastery may be the largest in Anatolia?
• ALT1b: ... that the khachkars at Aprank monastery are among the tallest in the world?

Let me know if this is acceptable to you. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 20:04, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

I'm rephrased the two problematic passages to avoid copyvio.

Agree with the first hook (and have accordingly rephrased the quote within the article). As for ALT1, Horizon Weekly's text actually translates to "the world's tallest — two magnificent khachkars" not "two of the world's tallest". The original translation is a bit off. It explicitly calls them "the tallest in the world" (աշխարհի ամենաբարձր).

If that's still questionable, we can go with this:

• • ALT2: ... that the monumental khachkars at Aprank monastery can be seen from 8 km away?

It comes from the website VirtualANI (run by the independent researcher Steven Sim ), which is widely cited by scholars --Երևանցի ^talk 11:12, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

@Yerevantsi and Darth Stabro: What else needs doing here?--Launchballer 12:05, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

Launchballer, Darth Stabro or someone else needs to finish the review. --Երևանցի ^talk 14:51, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

I'll take over then. ALTs 0 through 1 all rely on knowing what a khachkar is, so I won't touch those, and ALT2 has the claim in wikivoice and the article attributes, so won't fly either.--Launchballer 14:59, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

Then we can replace "khachkar" with "cross stone"? --Երևանցի ^talk 16:08, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

Sure, although I notice that the article says "often cited as" and the hooks put the claim in wikivoice.--Launchballer 16:37, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

We can go with either of these:

ALT3 ... that the cross stones at Aprank monastery are considered the tallest?

Horizon Weekly being the source (see above)

ALT4 ... that the cross stones at Aprank monastery are "extremely large"?

Sim's VirtualAni being the source --Երևանցի ^talk 18:27, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

How about ALT5: ... that a 1974 team assessing Aprank monastery was interrupted repeatedly by warnings from locals?, from the second paragraph of Current state (not sure how 1974 is current, but anyway...) I'll need a quote from the source and a new reviewer.--Launchballer 18:46, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

The khachkars are its most prominent feature. It would be a pity not to go with those. --Երևանցի ^talk 11:14, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

I guess. With the benefit of a few days, I think ALT4 works, so approving it.--Launchballer 15:56, 8 June 2025 (UTC)