Talk:Appellistes

-ism?

@Aristoxène: Heya. I'm not so sure the current title for this article is the right one. First off, this appears to be another original English translation that doesn't actually exist in the literature. A Google Scholar search for "Appellism" turns up zero results; while "Tiqqunism" is only used in passing by one reliable source in reference to land projects in North America. Furthermore, the French "appellisme" doesn't appear much either, with only one Google Scholar result, while "tiqqunisme" gets zero results. I'm wondering if maybe you have inappropriately extrapolated the existence of "appelistes" into an -ism that doesn't actually exist. I'm also wondering why this topic needs its own article, when a lot of this information could be better utilised in the articles about The Invisible Committee or Tiqqun. --Grnrchst (talk) 09:21, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

@Grnrchst Appellism as a specific tendency discussed by scholarly sources :

- Dunlap (Invisible Committee as 'Appellists')

- Bulle (Appelists as a specific movement named following L'Appel that she separates from the autonomous, anti-authoritarians, anarchists, etc)

- Corcuff (speaking of an Appelist 'galaxy' - I should note here that Corcuff is a scholar frequently associated with the (far)-left in France, like it's not a random conservative pundit)

- Garcia (describing himself as a member in his youth of what he himself calls 'appelisme' and then defines)

Those 4 sources clearly show the autonomy of Appelism compared to situationism or post-situationism. One of them is made by a self-described scholar, who himself uses it and retakes the word to describe his views during his youth, which is clearly a good example on how it's a concept they use for themselves too.

Then, you have national level French media, for example :

- Le Monde (center-right) (restrictive using only to describe Coupat's circle)

- Le Nouvel Obs (center-right like Socialist Party) (using it to describe a 'tendency')

- Mediapart (left) (also using it to describe ZAD tendencies)

There is also an abundancy of sources that I didn't use here because I didn't want to publish unsourced content, but note that they have massive links with the Confédération paysanne for example, one of the two big rural unions in France (the other one being a random far right union). In France, they are very influential, and I should say since I posted the article, I saw that in Quebec they also got influence, for example here you have work detailing a lot this Quebec-linked specific history (although I should say the article is very laudatory of them and their practices).

Maybe the specific pages Invisible Committee and Coupat should be better researched and done also, and integrating this into them also, but I really don't think we should disregard it as a specific subject deserving it's own page ; who would say to Debord that we should confine situationism to his page ? I'm not saying Coupat is Debord, clearly not lol, but that this movement deserves it's specific page as an ideological movement. For the orthography, I had to chose, since sources varied between Appellisme/Appelisme (less correct in French)/Tiqqunisme (more in English). I chose to keep Appellism or Tiqqunism in the intro to still keep both names but if you feel tiqqunism should be chosen instead, maybe we can check English speaking sources. For Coupat and the Tarnac affair, I don't like them neither appellists, and while I tried to stay neutral in the presentation I did in the page, disregarding many anti-appellism anarchist sources to try to keep a neutral stance, I'm not very passionate about improving their specific pages altogether. Aristoxène (talk) 09:48, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

For example, as a source I have is a fanzine published during the NDDL Zad there where it's polemics and informations about their role during the Zad, for example by using produced goods (wheat) to sell it outside and start amassing money and property, or like destroying barricades put on the state highway by the Zadists, stuff like this. Aristoxène (talk) 09:53, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

@Aristoxène: Of the sources you cite here, only Garcia uses "appelisme" as an -ism, while the rest all use "appeliste"/"appelliste". I'm still not seeing any evidence that the common name for this tendency is an "-ism"; most sources seem to refer to them simply as the "appellistes". As I said in my opening post, my issue is calling this an "-ism" and then using an original English translation that does not exist in English language sources. I think this title should be moved to appelistes as that is what seems to appear most in French sources. --Grnrchst (talk) 09:57, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

Ok you do you. Move it, delete it, I agree. Aristoxène (talk) 09:59, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

@Aristoxène: I've gone ahead and moved it. I don't think deletion is necessary. Thanks for looking into this subject! --Grnrchst (talk) 10:23, 13 May 2025 (UTC)