Talk:Annette Lee

Collaboration of further authors

I have requested the help from a few others singapore based contributors who have contributed to the online media space in Singapore. I have written on the talk page of User:S9929527I, User:LMX97, User:Deoma12, User:Rqiang84 and‎ User:LeeChoonYeeLcy as they are regular contributors to many other local singapore media pages. Iz55 (talk) 01:47, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Contested mention of Grammy winning producer

You had mentioned that the article doesn't mention about Ed Cash's Grammy but having a Grammy winning producer helps the audience understand the producer. For example, i noticed that you like NCIS (Which i love). Tony Dinozzo shared his first kiss with academy mosssad agent ziva david. This would illuminate the audience's understanding of Ziva, but also of Tony. Please correct me if i am wrong! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iz55 (talk • contribs) 14:04, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

No, that's not how notability works and it's not a good analogy. Her working with a producer who has received a Grammy is sufficient to establish significance but his grammy award is completely and totally irrelevant to the article and adding it at least 3 times in the article was nothing more than an attempt to pad the article, as I said on my talk page. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 14:09, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Iz55 I have now asked you 5 times (probably more) to address the COI issue and you have avoided it, so please respond here or on my talk page about it. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 14:11, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

But Rqiang84 had only mentioned it in his revision once. Can i trouble you to revert to Rqiang84's version and we can remove the offending parts from there and work from there — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iz55 (talk • contribs) 14:13, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Iz55 See my question above. This does not answer it. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 14:15, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

chrissymad which are the portions of rqiang84's content that you feel are unsupported and untrue? I urge you to look through his content. Can you revert to rqiang84's content and delete accordingly the portions you do not agree with so that editors can see your specific comments for the specific portions? Thank you!Iz55 (talk) 14:33, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Proposal for addition of Professional Life details

Subject is an internet celebrity in Singapore, with newspaper articles referenced in the main article. She also has viral videos that have more than 2 million views, which is almost everyone in a small country like singapore haha. Since she also directs the videos she acts in, i wanted to share on her professional life as a filmmaker before being an actress. I hope to add this content to help improve her actress and film maker section by putting in the following:

Professional background

Actress and Film maker

Lee was involved with film creation of two short films Graduation and Keep Mum. The first film Graduation won the Best Production Design at the Singapore Short Film Awards and *SCAPE's National Youth Film Awards in 2015, and was the Singapore finalist at Hong Kong International Mobile Film Awards. Her second film Keep Mum was nominee of Best Direction in the National Youth Film Awards 2015 and was featured at Cana Film Festival in 2016. Lee expressed that these short films as her way of commenting on social issues facing her generation

Lee was discovered by SGAG after they came across her blog, in which she illustrates stories from her daily life in an endearing humorous style, which they would later published one of her articles regarding the Carousell onto their social platforms. Upon their request, Lee joined SGAG in January 2016 and helped to establish its video team, where she is fully involved with the productions of the SGAG videos since then, in which she often appears under the personas as a news presenter "Suezanna Chole Tan" and more often as "Sue Ann" alongside with other actors.

Proposal for improvement of info box

This info box is pretty similar to the current info box, but a photo has been added, and some minor changes have been put in. This info box was primarily helped to be done up by another editor rqiang84

Annette Lee
File:Annette Lee at Canvas Club, Boat Quay.jpg Annette Lee, at her EP Launch at Canvas Club, Boat Quay, Singapore, in 4 November 2017.
Born	Annette Rochelle Lee (1992-07-10) 10 July 1992 Singapore
Alma mater	Cedar Girls' Secondary School Saint Andrew's Junior College Nanyang Technological University Hochschule der Medien
Occupations	Actress, Singer-Songwriter, Scriptwriter, Director, YouTube personality
Years active	2015–present
Agent	SGAG (Lead Writer/Director) (2016–present)
Musical career
Also known as	Sue Ann Suezanna Chole Tan
Genres	Electrofolk, Pop
Instruments	Piano, Guitar, Harmonica
Website	ANNETTE on Facebook

Iz55 (talk) 16:12, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

References

Reply 11-MAY-2018

1. This photograph is missing evidence of permission. It may have an author and a source, but there is no proof that the author agreed to license the file. Unless evidence of permission is shown, the file is scheduled to be deleted within seven days.
2. The references suggested for use in this article do not work towards resolving any of the already-existing maintenance template issues. It would be better to address those deficiencies (such as notability, point of view-prose style, and reference quality) with the goal of eliminating them before adding newer material to the article. .spintendo⋅⋅) 17:12, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Discussion on Article Notability

I would like to propose that subject is notable as it surpasses the guidelines on the following points:
1. Subject has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Just to name a few:
She had been featured in a full length interview in Singapore's national newspaper the straits times, which is the only newspaper in singapore. That article is listed as on of the reference and for convenience it is referenced here too.
She also has featured in a full length interview with Mediacorp's online website called Toggle, and appears in a full length feature by them. That interview is also referenced here .
She also furthermore has appeared in other full length magazine features such as Time Out (magazine), which is the british magazine group and publishes 108 cities around the world. That article is here .
She also appears in Cleo (magazine)'s magazine as a full length feature here

2. Subject also has attracted attention over a sufficiently significant period of time
The above articles have been published over a period of time. the straits times - 27/10/17, Time Out (magazine) - 14/09/17, Mediacorp's toggle article - 02/10/17, Cleo (magazine) - 1/12/17

3. Subject is also an internet celebrity with weekly videos, some of which have more than 1.5 to 2.5 million views. For a small country like singapore, 2million viewers is almost every person under the age of 30. Some of her videos are referenced here

4. She is the main star of SGAG, which has more than 800k followers on Facebook, and 450k on instagram.

5. I have made multiple edits (in an effort to address template maintanence issues), and no new content was added. Please take some time to review my edit. Thank you! Iz55 (talk) 02:17, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

References

Reply 11-MAY-2018

Already declined

• The question is not over the subject's notability, but rather, whether the changes requested offer an improvement to the article. Requested changes to the article such as adding a picture which does not have the required licensing would not constitute as an improvement.
• Other requested changes to the wording of the information were not grammatical, and would not improve the article:

  Example No.#1 "Lee was discovered by SGAG after they came across her blog,[4] in which she illustrates stories from her daily life in an endearing humorous style,[5] which they would later published [sic] one of her articles regarding the Carousell onto their social platforms."
  Example No.#2 "Lee joined SGAG in January 2016 and helped to establish its video team, where she is fully involved with the productions of the SGAG videos since then, [sic] in which she often appears under the personas as [sic] a news presenter.."

  For those reasons the edit request is declined. .spintendo⋅⋅) 04:56, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Removal of maintenance tags

• Based on follow up instructions from other admins, i have made minor changes in grammar, punctuation, POV, reference quality etc, and applied those directly to the main body of the article (not on the talk page).
• I have made sure i did not add any new content, but simply cleared up the grammar, reference quality etc, in an effort to help address the maintenance tags issues
• Please do have a look through the main article body.
• For convenience, i had also detailed out the changes as i went along in the article edit history so you can track what i had done.
• Please guide me if my minor edits are sufficient.
• If sufficient, i hope you can consider removing the maintenance tags
• Thanks for your time Iz55 (talk) 09:14, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Reply 12-MAY-2018

The editor who placed the templates, in this case Chrissymad, should be consulted first about the recent changes you've made, in order to garner their opinion on the state of the article and whether or not they feel the tags can now be removed. .spintendo⋅⋅) 12:56, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

The same issues still exist. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 12:58, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Dear Chrissymad/ user:spintendo, another editor from the teahouse has edited the article after i posted my request for help in the tea house. can i check if its ok now? :) thank you Iz55 (talk) 15:24, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Proposal to change the introduction to sound less promotional

I have received feedback from the teahouse that "grown to become asia's most recognisable characters" may sound like a press release. In an effort to address the maintanece tag issues, i propose to revise that sentence:

Annette Rochelle Lee (born 10 July 1992), is a Singaporean actress, singer-songwriter, scriptwriter, director and YouTube personality. She is best known for her work on the media platform SGAG, where she stars in comedic videos based on the personas of "Sue Ann" and "Suezanna Chole Tan".. Lee is also a singer-songwriter and she released her debut electro-folk EP in 2017.

I - remember to sign your Talk comments by typing four of ~. I am not a Teahouse admin, just a regular editor who dabbles in Teahouse topics. What I did to the article was remove content that in my opinion was not directly about Ms. Lee, or not relevant to her notability. In my opinion, again, there is enough independent content to support notability. A hard task for you now is to stop adding to the article. In time, other editors will add/subtract content, and at some point in time an editor will decide to remove some of those templates. David notMD (talk) 02:05, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks David notMD!Iz55 (talk) 02:08, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

References

I agree with David notMD, that the subject's notability is established. Seeing the changes that David made, perhaps we could impose on Chrissymad one more time to have a look and see how the page looks and if the tags can be reconsidered. Thank you to everyone for their help on this, it's much appreciated. .spintendo⋅⋅) 06:00, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Notability template removed

In light of David notMD and my opinions that the subject has met notability requirements, I've gone ahead and removed that template. I can't speak to the other remaining two, as the decision to place them is a bit more nuanced than the cut and dry requirements for notability, so IMO it would still be best to have the input of Chrissymad. .spintendo⋅⋅) 05:24, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Proposal to remove remaining tags

Since the tags had been placed 3 months ago and also reviewed 2 months ago, many more people have since worked on the page and shared their input. Hence, I would like to propose that the remaining tags be removed.

Thanks! Iz55 (talk)

Reply 13-JUL-2018

Discussion required

Requesting @Chrissymad: input on this. My concerns are listed below:

1. The fact that the COI editor is still editing the article, trying to remove maintenance messages, seems to suggest that the COI template still holds water.
2. The fact that many of the references provided are written by individuals who are either close to the subject (Refs #2,3,4,8) or are provided indirectly by the subject (refs #1,5,6,10) would seem to suggest that the FanPOV template also holds water.
3. Reading the article I see issues not covered by the tags, especially MOS:WTW, of which there are a handful in the article.

 spintendo  03:38, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Personae notability

Her personae like Chantelle and Auntie Susan seem to fail notability under due to not having reliable sources. All news coverage involve tabloids which is "unsuitable for information about living people". However, there is an overwhelming number of tabloid sources which must be "used with care" that talk about personae such as [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8]. What is the consensus on removing content on these personae? I've since split it out to a separate heading and it perhaps seems acceptable. Hypnoticreflection (talk) 10:39, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

GA review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Annette Lee/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Hypnoticreflection (talk · contribs) 17:25, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

Reviewer: Icepinner (talk · contribs) 14:35, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

Discussion. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 17:42, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Will be taking this up. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 14:35, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

@Hypnoticreflection: I have finished the review. There are quite a lot of issues, mainly concerning the structure of the article. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 16:28, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

thanks, i was mostly trying my luck and seeing what i can improve on in article writing. i'll try my best to address these concerns, thanks for not biting the newcomer 🥺 Hypnoticreflection (talk) 14:41, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

@Icepinner Just finished rectifying everything, indeed retrospectively the article when it was nominated was missing a lot of depth and elaboration on the content. please take a look again at any time =) Hypnoticreflection (talk) 09:21, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Thank you for the prompt response! The article looks better, but there are still issues at a glance. I'll take a look within the next couple of days. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 17:42, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

@Hypnoticreflection: I have left some more comments inline, see below. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 09:45, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

@Icepinner rectified again, but i just want to point out the existence of this diff by User:Aleain adding maintenance templates. i've already asked for clarification here but there's no response yet, despite a ping and active edits elsewhere as shown from their contributions. i'm not sure if they will reply soon, and i'm also not sure how this interacts with an ongoing GA review. maybe this means that "5. It is stable" will have to be given some time to simmer and wait for a possible response from Aleain? Hypnoticreflection (talk) 06:46, 22 June 2026 (UTC)

Hihi sorry, I was on a trip to China for 10 days. I just came back and I'm a bit sick rn, so I'll look into it tomorrow. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 15:59, 30 June 2026 (UTC)

please no worries there's no rush at all =) take care Hypnoticreflection (talk) 16:37, 30 June 2026 (UTC)

Ok, I've read the talk page section. I wouldn't say that it endangers the nomination's chances of meeting criterion 5 since that's for content that significantly changes day-by-day (looking at the article's edit history, no such significant changes under a content dispute have taken place), but it affects criteria 3/4. I think the most ideal option would be to wait for Aleain's response on the talk page comment and come to a consensus with him. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 17:17, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

Aleain has clarified his edits, and the dispute seems to be resolved, so all good. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 15:52, 2 July 2026 (UTC)

Upon further inspection, I don't think there are any other issues with this article as far as I am aware, so I am going to promote this. Congratulations! Apologies for the long wait with the review, and thank you for patiently putting up with my irl circumstances :) Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 16:12, 3 July 2026 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Lead

Passed. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 17:42, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

• I feel like the lead is a bit short and should be expanded to have a sentence or two on each aspect of her career (music, filmmaking, etc), though this is likely to change if the below comments are implemented. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 16:28, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

  i made the lead longer, as if it is a summary of the entire article. i wonder if it is too long now? Hypnoticreflection (talk) 09:22, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

It's a lot better, but I think it may need some trimming. For example, "In 2020, she released her second EP titled Song for the Underdog about encouraging herself and her listeners." necessary for the lead? It's not discussed as much as "The Caifan Song". The length of the lead depends on the complexity of the subject MOS:LEADLENGTH); this is a relatively simple subject, and the article is pretty short, so the lead should reflect that. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 09:44, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

I've trimmed it completely to only encompass the major aspects of her career and condensed it to as few words as I can, according to roughly how long of a section they take up in the body. Hypnoticreflection (talk) 18:33, 21 June 2026 (UTC)

Early life

Passed. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 17:42, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

• Starting each sentence with "She [X]" tends to be a bit repetitive, so I would suggest giving it variety, like "She was born on [date]", and then the next sentence would be "Lee attended [school]". Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 16:56, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

  ok ! it looks a bit more varied now Hypnoticreflection (talk) 16:40, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

• Optional: "Lee is a Singaporean" for a biography article, the subject's full name should be mentioned first, with subsequent mentions using their last name. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 16:56, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

  ok , that's true. i brought the full name into early life too, and brought the citations there too, keeping the lead citation free as it's all supported in the body as per MOS:SCROLLDOWN. i also wrote that her name is professionally known as "Annette Lee", which seems verifiable from the wealth of articles written that way if we click through the primary source i linked Hypnoticreflection (talk) 16:42, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Career

Passed. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 09:44, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

• Optional: "Lee was first brought to the attention of SGAG" would suggest linking SGAG here. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 16:56, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

  ok ! Hypnoticreflection (talk) 14:57, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

• "in which she drew comics and shared stories" what were the general subject matters of the comics and stories? Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 16:56, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

  ok ; her "fleeting existence" ! Hypnoticreflection (talk) 15:04, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

• "she had left SGAG and creates her own shows for her own platforms" this is time sensitive, so I would say smth like "since 2020, she left SGAG and had created her own shows for her own platforms" (keeping MOS:REALTIME in mind)

  ok ! Hypnoticreflection (talk) 15:08, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

• "Asian Billionaires, a satirical show that humorously explores the lives of fictional wealthy personalities" would remove "humorously"; it's a bit promotional plus it's already established that the show is a comedy. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 16:56, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

  ok ! re-wrote because the TSL source was not great Hypnoticreflection (talk) 15:24, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

• Do we know the inspiration behind Asian Billionaires? It would make the overall reading experience flow better and more delightful. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 16:56, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

  ok ! i've added the reason (commentary on class divide in singapore), which while attributed to a mothership source, is taken from her own words in the article and not the editor at mothership. this should be okay from Wikipedia:BLPSPS :

  > ... editors may use statements spoken by an article subject ... if there is no reasonable doubt to the authenticity of the published material ... These sources cannot be used for exceptional claims, or claims about third parties. (as per Wikipedia:BLPSELFPUB)

  so this bypasses mothership's dodginess Hypnoticreflection (talk) 15:36, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

• "In 2022, Lee was listed on Forbes’ 30 Under 30 list" we tend to avoid one-line paragraphs since it disrupts the flow of reading, so would find a way to join it with some other para. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 16:56, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

  ok ! i combined into into the first paragraph Hypnoticreflection (talk) 15:39, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

• Do we know what triggered Lee to go into filmmaking? Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 16:56, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

  ok ! i used a primary source to write about her motivation about "filmmaking , acting and music" Hypnoticreflection (talk) 15:59, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

• Also, do we know the inspiration for both movies and their critical reception? Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 16:56, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

  ok ! i wrote about the inspiration for both movies, if you mean dream stall & asian billionaires ? if it's about the short films in 2014 and 2015, there's really not much info on those in secondary sources. there's no information of why on her personal page too. so maybe by WP:DUE its ok to keep it short, not that i have a choice either given the dearth of info.

  i found the critical reception for dream stall ("singaporeans are dismissive of local films"). there does not seem to be any information of how asian billionaires was received =( Hypnoticreflection (talk) 16:37, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

• "She promised to refund watchers that felt that they 'wasted their time'" I think it's worth adding the context of Singaporeans' reception to the local movie; this CNA article mentions it. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 16:56, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

  ok ! solved at the same time as the above Hypnoticreflection (talk) 16:38, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Second round of checking:

• "In 2022, she performed a comedy and music show at Esplanade titled Annette Lee: All-In-One,[13] to more than 10,000 people.[6] Lee has also hosted Jackson Wang’s launch event for his book, titled Under The Castle: The Birth Of Pumpkie, in 2024.[14]" should it be mentioned that her Esplanade comment was her first major live performance? She did perform live music in her youth, but this was when she was relatively unknown. Now that she is more well-known, hosting a performance like that would certainly be a major milestone to her career.

Also, what is the significance of her hosting a launch event for Jackson Wang's book? The ST article only mentions her in the photo captions, but what effect did this have on her career? Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 09:44, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

ok , added that it was her first major live performance, agreed

for jackson wang's book. there was a previous version was talking about how she hosted many events like for SCDF, and took videos for like COVID-19 pandemic advertisements for the government. that sentence needed some examples to avoid Wikipedia:WEASEL and so it included jackson wang's book event. and it remains here because it happened to be the only verifiable and notable event covered by a reliable news source. but i agree, it doesn't seem really significant, there's no analysis on this and it's really by-the-by. by Wikipedia:DUE i'm removing this event. Hypnoticreflection (talk) 17:07, 21 June 2026 (UTC)

• "As of 2023, she re-invested most of her earnings into her work, such as The Ann & Ben Show and Adventure of the Day. Her earnings came from various sources, such as hosting, performances, developing sponsored material, as well as ad revenue from YouTube, Facebook and music streaming platforms.[8]" I'm not sure if we need to go that in-depth. Should we keep the first sentence and put into another paragraph? Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 09:44, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

  ok, yea agree. somewhat undue and obvious / unneeded; where else is the revenue coming. just made it one sentence. Hypnoticreflection (talk) 17:13, 21 June 2026 (UTC)

Notable personae

Resolved; section no longer exists. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 09:44, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

• I noticed Talk:Annette Lee#Personae notability on the article's talk page. In my opinion, I'd just bring it to the part of the "career" section that talks about her being in SGAG, if there is significant analysis on her personas, like how they influenced other local influencers (knowing the landscape here, I'm guessing that's a shot in the dark). It would be undue weight to have a section exclusively on her personas without much analysis or discussion. Otherwise, I'd just briefly talk about them in the career; much of the information presented here seems quite trivial (like "In 2022, she conducted an interview with Joanne Peh under this persona, which was perceived humorously by Singaporeans"). P.S. this is not a notability issue, but more of a WP:BALASP issue – notability concerns with whether a topic should have its own article or not. This is a really common misconception, so don't worry about it :) Also, Stomp is an unreliable source; other sources seem okay. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 16:56, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

  i brought it to the career section. only sue-ann was played while she was in SGAG; all other personae were played post-SGAG, so i put that in a different paragraph. the only additional analysis i managed to find was that her persona antics were inspired by Chris Lilley, but each persona does include their origin and inspirations, which could also be considered additional analysis. perhaps if there is even more analysis in the future, it could be broken out into a new section, but for now, maybe this suffices.

  i think they're given sufficient weight, from outsider knowledge that the characters seem to appear very very frequently in her comedic antics, although i can't really find a source to support my claim other than enumerating every appearance i find them in.

  i am open to cutting the sentence about Joanne Peh & Auntie Susan, as well as Yoo Jae Suk, Lee Kwang Soo, and Kwon Yu-ri & Chantelle, cuz perhaps these are really fluff one-off appearances that are given too much weight? Hypnoticreflection (talk) 08:55, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

• Despite this, I will still highlight the following issues here so that you can avoid making them in the future:

• Per MOS:BOLDBOLD and MOS:SUBSECTION, subheadings should use the level three template
• I don't think italics can be used for introducing her personas (see MOS:ITALICS).
• "which was described as 'hilarious'" by whom? We need attributions.

Music

Passed. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 09:44, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

• Optional: "Lee plays the guitar and the piano from her youth, which was self-taught.[9][22][5][23]" citation clusters like this tend to go against WP:OVERKILL. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 06:44, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

  ok ! cut out all the fluff, and reduced it to all be attributed to timeout, which seems reliable after a quick scan of Time Out (magazine) Hypnoticreflection (talk) 17:40, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

• Optional: Songs like "Ready for a Savior" and "Gold" should not be italicised per MOS:NOITAL. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 06:44, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

  ok ! didn't know that. double quoted those songs instead Hypnoticreflection (talk) 17:46, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

• "The show, which highlights humorous takes" would find a way to make this more neutral sounding. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 06:44, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

  ok , killed that sentence in favour of "comedy music video series" and moved the whole caifan song out into a new paragraph out of the current paragraph about the series. helps with the clarity too. Hypnoticreflection (talk) 18:04, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

• "It received 300,000 views on YouTube in three days.[24] As of June 2023, it received over 1.3 million views" it should be made clear that this is referring to the "Caifan Song"; I thought it was referring to the show itself. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 06:44, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

  ok , resolved, see above Hypnoticreflection (talk) 18:04, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Personal life

Passed. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 09:44, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

• Optional: "In June[3] 2017, Lee married Raphael Foo,[29] a hedge fund manager.[3][4]" this seems like WP:REPCITE. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 06:44, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

  mm so according to Wikipedia:INTEGRITY, which i strongly believe in,

  June[3] is important since it's a relatively minor detail from an obscure part in the article

  [29] supports 2017 and marrying Raphael Foo, and there's no repetition here, this looks okay

  and "a hedge fund manager" is indeed supported by [3] & [4].

  i guess that your comment is advocating for removing [3] in June[3] ? i guess we could do it, but it would make it look like [29] supports June, and it would make discovering "June" difficult from a "faraway" citation maybe Hypnoticreflection (talk) 17:04, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

• This section seems rather short... do we have any information on stuff like her life-long hobbies? (keeping in mind of WP:BLP). Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 06:44, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

  ok ! i wasn't really sure about "pretending to be a tabloid writer" and pulling information from her personal bio, so i stayed more conservative and kept the section shorter with "safer information". the section looks longer now and hopefully still includes uncontroversial content Hypnoticreflection (talk) 17:28, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Sources

Passed. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 17:42, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

• Sources here are a mixed bag; some reliable ones (ST, CNA), some relatively niche publications, some primary self-published sources. The primary sources are acceptable since Lee published them herself, and they are used for uncontroversial stuff, such as what school she went to or the Chinese name of her movies. Criterion 2b requires me to ascertain whether those niche publications are reliable enough for this article, which will be done below:

• Toggle was renamed to 8days, a Mediacorp website; Mediacorp has a good track record for quality, so it's okay
• Tatler seems like an okay magazine, and it was written by Chong Seow Wei, a senior editor, so it passes
• Content summit asia: A secondary source, yes, but why is it included here? Stronger sources like CNA cover the same thing, so I think it's better if we remove it
• Her World is owned by SPH Media, which has a good track record with reliablity, so it's fine
• I'm not sure if TSL Media should be cited. Its staff board doesn't seem that great, but the article is mainly an interview, and the information cited to TSL seems to appear as context for the interview (we don't know anything about its editorial policies, which is a red flag, though you could cite the content presented in the interview since it came from the interviewee themselves).
• Harper's Bazar is owned by SPH media, so it passes (based on the above)
• Parade: has its own editorial policy and the author seems to be a music marketer/journalist. Seems okay enough

Keep in mind that the media landscape in Singapore is heavily government-controlled, but Mediacorp/SPH press sources are acceptable for anything other than politics/the PAP, so the preponderance of Mediacorp/SPH sources here is acceptable. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 11:38, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

• great ! @ content summit asia, yup, removed out of redundancy. @ tsl media removed as well. @ parade, if it's too dodgy, we could always replace it with a primary source that says that "Gold" can be found in her EP, or by WP:DUE, remove talk about "Gold" as well. Hypnoticreflection (talk) 19:05, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

I think we can keep Parade. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 17:42, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

• Mothership is a... controversial source to cite. There have been loads of discussions on the reliability of Mothership, ranging from unreliable to being only reliable for everything except politics. The current consensus is undetermined, though there is a majority opinion that Mothership should be used for uncontroversial stuff. I would personally remove it here, especially since the information cited to Mothership is also supported by stronger sources. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 16:56, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

  i've removed all mothership source attributions that can be supported by stronger sources, but only one remains.

  the one that remains is used to quote her words that cannot be found anywhere else about the motivation for creating asian billionaires, so i hope this use is okay, as i've explained above too Hypnoticreflection (talk) 18:39, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

• I think citing Forbes here is okay; the article appears to be written by a staff member who works on the 30 under 30 list, so it seems okay (under the provisions of WP:FORBES). Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 16:56, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

  yeah, i felt forbes was okay for the same reason, but i removed it anyway since it is already supported by CNA Lifestyle, which should be sufficient to not have to invoke forbes as another source for the information Hypnoticreflection (talk) 19:00, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

• Earwig seems to be clean. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 16:56, 15 June 2026 (UTC)
• I'm not sure why this source isn't used. It's a WP:GREL (CNA), so it would be a wonderful addition to this article. It repeats much of the stuff said, but it can be used to strengthen those claims. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 16:56, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

  ok ! used up the source Hypnoticreflection (talk) 18:37, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Spotcheck

Passed. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 17:42, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Spotcheck based on this version

• [4a] I don't see "she was born on 10 July 1992" in the article
• [4b] passed
• [7a] pass
• [7b] pass
• [7c] another editor changed it, but as this is based on the previous version, which didn't pass, I'm not including this in my decision.
• [7d]: pass
• [11] pass, but see above comment
• [18] technically a pass, but this seems to be an error on CNA's part, and so should not be used as a generalisation that the Chantelle persona is alternatively spelt as "Chantalle Tiffany Koh".
• [22] only says she plays guitar and piano. Only Mothership says she played those instruments plus she was self-taught. The article has quotes, but the information presented by Mothership makes it a secondary source for her music habits. As mentioned above, Mothership has questionable reliability, so I would recommend finding a stronger source that says the same thing.
• [26] pass

Three of the ten footnotes failed the spotcheck, so I'm checking two more. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 16:28, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

• [16] pass
• [29] Well it's mostly a pass, but the article doesn't mention Foo's last name, so I would cite another article in conjunction with [29].

Hmmm, the spotcheck seems to be mostly positive, so I think it's safe to give this spotcheck a pass. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 16:28, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

for [4a], it only supports 1992, which can be calculated from the age given in the source. the "10 july" comes from a facebook post. as per Wikipedia:INTEGRITY i put the sources closer to the information their source supports.

Fine by me. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 17:42, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

for [18], ok ! didn't realise that it was only one source that rendered it "Chantalle" so i've changed it to a misspelling judgement

Apologies, I wasn't being clear. We cannot use one instance of a phenomenon within a source and generalise it (see Faulty generalization). Besides, saying it is misspelt as "Chantalle" would most likely violate WP:OR. The initial intended outcome of my comment was for the footnote to be removed entirely, but since you moved Chantelle's last name to the footnote, only the "It is also sometimes misspelled as "Chantalle",[16] but it is officially spelled "Chantelle".[‡ 5]" part needs to be removed. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 17:42, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Suppose i removed it as per suggested, and someone comes along with the claim that it is actually spelled "Chantalle" with the reliable sources that misspelled it. What would the correct way to combat this saying that a majority of sources spell it "Chantelle"?

By Wikipedia:COMMONNAME, we can assert that her full name is spelled "Chantelle", and if there is a dispute, they can discuss on the talk page and (quickly) come to the consensus that a majority of sources spell it "Chantelle". i.e. there's no need for proving what the common name is in the article?

i've removed the claim anyway, but i've kept the primary source around, just for the sake of discoverability, maybe? this could be overkill, feel free to delete it. the diff is here Hypnoticreflection (talk) 08:19, 20 June 2026 (UTC)

I think it's fine. If it's one source that misspells her name, then we shouldn't treat it as an alternative name, especially since her website states the correct spelling for the persona, or if secondary sources spell it as "Chantelle" (to combat the editor's hypothetical claims, provide examples using three or more sources). Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 16:14, 3 July 2026 (UTC)

for [22] removed mothership in favour of timeout and straits times there about the music habits.

for [29] as per WP:INTEGRITY i've moved this source to only support the year they married; the sources at the end properly state "Raphael Foo" Hypnoticreflection (talk) 19:17, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Images

Passed. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 17:42, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

• File:Annette Singing at canvas club.jpg – CC BY SA 4.0 and a VRT ticket from the relevant party. All good. I also fixed a typo in the caption. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 16:56, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Maintenance templates

Heya @Aleain, I noticed that you added the Template:Promotional, Template:COI and Template:Recentism maintenance tags. I'm writing this to come to some sort of consensus to see if they can be removed. I can only speculate about why you added the maintenance tags, but I want to know exactly how to rectify the issue. Please let me know exactly what the issue is.

Firstly, the promotional template implies that the article "tell[s] readers to buy the company's product, provide price lists, give links to online sellers, or use unencyclopedic or meaningless buzzwords", following Wikipedia:ADMASQ and can be salvaged by writing it in an Wikipedia:NPOV.

I do not think that the current article particularly advertises the subject. It's only the personal life section that looks a little "padded", while a lot of the information seems positive about her, save for Dream Stall criticism, as I could not find any criticism pertaining to her works in reliable sources. If it is due to the overly padded lede section, this is because it is under construction, and I over-summarised the article.

Secondly, the COI template "involves contributing to Wikipedia articles about yourself, family, friends, clients, employers, or your financial and other relationships" and is added (Template:COI#When to remove) because of non-neutrality of the article. If this is an accusation of a possible COI from me, I shall formally state here that the subject of the article is not related to me in any way other than we are both Singaporean. If the COI template was added because of User:Iz55's contributions, I judged it, as a person without COI, that the article is neutral, after I edited about 70% of all the material, and how Iz55 did not make any recent edits to the article. Otherwise, if this was added because the article was non-neutral, then I think that this is a redundant maintenance tag that is resolved simultaneously with the promotional template.

Thirdly, recentism implies that the article has an "imbalanced focus on recent events. It is writing without an aim toward a long-term, historical view." At a quick glance, this seems targeted towards Dream Stall, which occupies three paragraphs in the whole article. However, I believe that this is following Wikipedia:DUE and sufficient depth is given to topics with more reliable sources and discussion. For example, the portion on Dream Stall cites eight unique sources, resulting in the longer section compared to other minor events like the All-In-One concert which could only be attributed to two unique sources. According to the Wikipedia:10YT, I argue that the article seems to not suffer from recentism, since the lengths of all sections are dependent on the number of reliable sources covering them (Wikipedia:DUE). It just so happens that the most recent event, Dream Stall, has the longest section. Hypnoticreflection (talk) 02:06, 21 June 2026 (UTC)

Without an explanation, I cannot resolve the problem (Wikipedia:DRIVEBY). Feel free to restore the maintenance templates with an elaboration of the problem and the solution in the talk page. I can't wait forever (Wikipedia:Silence and consensus) especially with a GAN timer (Wikipedia:Good article instructions) and this being a blocking criteria of a good article.

As per Help:Maintenance template removal, a "maintenance template is of a type that requires support but is not fully supported" like Template:COI and Template:POV where "tagging editor failed to [initiate a discussion], or the discussion is dormant, and there is no other support for the template, it can be removed".

COI: The burden of proof is not on me to show that I have no conflict of interest. Without elaboration, I am removing this template.

Promotional: According to Wikipedia:PROMOTION, it's not advocacy, propaganda, recruitment, opinion piece, scandalmongering, self-promotion, advertising, marketing, publicity or public relations. It looks written in an Wikipedia:NPOV to me, and is also being scrutinised by a good article review. I'm removing this since the template requires support of exactly what is promotional, but has not been supported.

Recentism: The only recent piece of information here pertains to Dream Stall. The first paragraph pertains to motivation, the second is what the movie is, and the third is audience reception. All three of these paragraphs are kept short without giving undue weight to any of the information, while providing the reader of Wikipedia enough context about what is happening. I've also elaborated, as above, that appropriate due weight is given to an aspect that is receiving many more reports by reliable news sources. It just so happens to be the most recent event. What is the suggestion to make it less "slanted" towards recent events?

I strongly encourage you to make the appropriate edit (Wikipedia:SOFIXIT) or outline the aspect that makes it commit recency bias. by Wikipedia:WTRMT, point 7, this claim of recency "requires support but is not fully supported" and no discussion was initiated, so I'm removing it. Hypnoticreflection (talk) 18:13, 21 June 2026 (UTC)

@Aleain: courtesy ping. It'd be helpful to know why you place those templates, especially since the article is going under a GAN review (for the record, I will say that I don't think Hypnoticreflection has a COI with Lee). Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 17:03, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

I do not dispute the removal of the tags. I erroneously added it during a cursory view of the page, without checking that the article was currently undergoing a rework by Hypnoticreflection. Apologies for any inconvenience, and I hope your GAN review passes smoothly. Aleain (talk) 20:42, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Thanks for clarifying! Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 05:03, 2 July 2026 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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• ... that Annette Lee provided refunds to viewers who felt that they "wasted their time" with her debut movie, Dream Stall, which she wrote, directed and acted in?

• Source: (1) ["pledging full refunds to moviegoers who feel they wasted their time watching her film.", "her feature film debut Dream Stall"] (2) ["Singapore content creator Annette Lee to write and direct first feature film" "about a fresh university graduate named Enya (played by Lee)"]

• • ALT1: ... that actor, director, and writer Annette Lee provided refunds to viewers who felt that they "wasted their time" with her debut movie, Dream Stall? Source: (1) ["pledging full refunds to moviegoers who feel they wasted their time watching her film.", "her feature film debut Dream Stall", "Actress-director Annette Lee", "known as a content creator, writer, actress and singer-songwriter."]
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  • Comment: Two slightly different variations that I'm not sure of; one attributes the qualities to the movie and the other attributes the qualities to the person, each with their own subtle effect but may ultimately not matter. ALT1 avoids a doubly embedded clause which seems slightly nicer to me.

Improved to Good Article status by Hypnoticreflection (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Hypnoticreflection (talk) 21:45, 3 July 2026 (UTC).

• Both hooks (well, variations of the same fact but different hooks anyway) are super interesting and the fact is written and sourced in the article, and the source verifies the hook. I have run iabot to archive the remaining sources. The article is long enough and eligible as it achieved GA status on 3 July and nominated for DYK on the same day. Everything is sourced and Earwig shows no issues. As QPQ is not required, this is good to go, well done! DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 17:22, 21 July 2026 (UTC)