Talk:Anglosaksy

Odd Title?

So this article specifically refers to the Russian term "Англосаксы", but with the title of "Anglo-Saxons (slur)" it makes it seem like using "Anglo-Saxons" as a derogatory term is a new Russian invention. But in the White Anglo-Saxon Protestants article it already describes how "Anglo-Saxon" was used as one against anglophones.

"Before WASP came into use in the 1960s, the term Anglo-Saxon served some of the same purposes. Like the newer term WASP, the older term Anglo-Saxon was used derisively by writers hostile to an informal alliance between Britain and the U.S. The negative connotation was especially common among Irish Americans and writers in France."

"Irish-American humorist Finley Peter Dunne popularized the ridicule of "Anglo-Saxons", even calling President Theodore Roosevelt one."

"Charles de Gaulle repeatedly sought to "rid France of Anglo-Saxon influence""

Wouldn't it make more sense to change the title to "Anglosaksy", the actual word of the slur (or also Anglo-Saxons (Russian slur)), or otherwise merge information between the two articles? Make this a section in the WASP article about its use in Russia, or move the information about its use as a slur to here? Aye-I-Eye (talk) 00:00, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

These are some good points. Maybe the latter proposal would work? HappyWith (talk) 16:58, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

You are confusing several things. The "WASP" article is referring mainly to a social class that used to dominate American politics, industry and academia, and the term itself (or at least the acronym) was coined nearly 60 years ago at a time when this class's influence was declining. That article, which is not very high in quality as it is, is already confusing enough without bringing Russia into it.

The way that Russia seems to be using this term is to refer to citizens of "English-speaking countries." It doesn't seem to have much to do with ancestry, wealth or social status, but is rather a derogatory term of propaganda used to marginalize people living in the Anglosphere from the rest of Europe or 'the West'. This article does not imply that the mere existence of the term is novel, but that the way that it is used by Russians is different and even 'strange.' Jonathan f1 (talk) 19:20, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

I've moved the page. I recommend reading the Aeon article which was added as a source and describes the history of the term in French. -- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 10:23, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

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Requested move 12 June 2026

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Anglo-Saxons (racialist term) → Anglosaksy – The title of this article is misleading, because it implies that the issue is racist use of the English phrase "Anglo-Saxons". Now, we know that the English phrase really can be used in America as a self-identifier of advocates of white supremicism, as discussed at White Anglo-Saxon Protestants, but this article is about the pejoritive use of the Russian equivalent, Anglosaksy, to disparage the English-speaking countries. To make this clear, we need to change the title, and also rewrite the opening sentence. Apart from that, the word "racialist" is dated - today we say "racist", so the title is odd anyway. Doric Loon (talk) 08:54, 12 June 2026 (UTC)

I don't think this article really needs to exist at all. Modern usage of the term "Anglo-Saxon" to describe the English-speaking nations is already covered in the Anglo-Saxons article (see Legacy). My preference would be for a merge. Zacwill (talk) 11:09, 12 June 2026 (UTC)

This article is not about the historical ethnic Anglo-Saxons, but rather about the invented 19th-century concept of Anglo-Saxon racial supremacy known as Anglo-Saxonism. That ideology was not concerned with the actual ethnic group; It promoted whiteness and an English/American identity, serving as a predecessor to the all-encompassing term "white" and inspiring Nazi racial theories as a response. This emerged during the time of the Great Game, when those myths and racial theories were spreading, which that term stays with Russia today. Luka Maglc (talk) 13:08, 12 June 2026 (UTC)

Most empires outside the Anglosphere, had derogatory words for people who lived in it as a reaction to Anglo-Saxonist espousing their supremacy. Luka Maglc (talk) 13:11, 12 June 2026 (UTC)

I'm aware that it's not about the historical Anglo-Saxons. I don't think it's really about Anglo-Saxonism either. It's about use of the term "Anglo-Saxon" to describe present-day English-speakers. As I said, I think this could be contained to Anglo-Saxons#Legacy. Zacwill (talk) 13:16, 12 June 2026 (UTC)

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