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In the sentence "The importance of Sullivan to the popularization of The Bell Curve and race science was noted by Matthew Yglesias", the words "race science" were turned into a link to scientific racism in the diff I posted. Also, the text added in that diff clearly describes him as an advocate of scientific racism even if the article weren't using that exact term. 174.212.102.117 (talk) 05:14, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
There is no evidence that Sullivan is a proponent of scientific racism. "Race science" is not a real subject. This is pure character assassination. Stop vandalizing this article. --Jatkins(talk - contribs)08:35, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
I would also add that the entire "Race" section should be removed. The links are to far-left sources (notably, The Guardian) which demonstrate clear POV in violation of Wikipedia policies. This is an obvious attempt to depict Sullivan as racist from a far-left perspective. I have also removed the tendentious Current Affairs quote, and would add that Current Affairs quotes (in particular, those of the founder Nathan J. Robinson) are scattered across articles pertaining to controversial subjects despite the magazine's status as fringe and rarely quoted in reliable mainstream articles. --Jatkins(talk - contribs)08:40, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Well, The Guardian is certainly left-leaning , but it is a newspaper of record. I wouldn't call Sullivan a "racist", but he legitimizes pseudoscientific claims about the relationship between intelligence and "race" (e.g., Smith, 2020). He essentially denies, or at least ignores, the scientific consensus on that issue (cf. Jackson & Winston, 2021). And given that he is a public figure, I would argue that this section is indeed relevant. However, it may be reasonable to remove the blog reference (footnote 83). True face of the truth (talk) 02:42, 12 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
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There was apparently a much more narrow discussion to this effect last year, but I'd like to ask about the purpose of the whole Bell Curve paragraph in Sullivan's "Career" section. It feels out of place where it is, and seems to be discrediting him in a way that the sources don't really justify. MutuallyAssuredDeduction (talk) 20:11, 18 March 2025 (UTC)Reply
I agree. The paragraph could be made more concise and better reflect a neutral point of view. Perhaps you could post a suggested rewrite of the paragraph here? Mark D Worthen PsyD(talk)[he/him]03:26, 13 April 2025 (UTC)Reply
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